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  • Help with Raptor 50

    I have a problem with my Raptor 50. The tail is not stable and it is currently unflyable. It is certainly not a new heli but has always been good as gold.

    On the ground the tail behaves properly on both head lock and non head lock modes. Once the engine is started and gets up to full headspeed, sometimes before it takes off but sometimes once airbourne the tail will quickly move left and right up to 90 degrees then go hard left or right and stay there when on headlock and in normal mode with the stick in the cente position as if the gyro is trying to set itself. You can move the tail back to centre using stick inputs but it will move slowly back to full hard over once th stick goes back to centre position. This can only be corrected by turning off the model power to get it to reset.

    I have tried two Futaba 401s and an Align 790 gyro, changed the tail servo from Align 655 to Savox 1290, checked tail boom and tail casing for cracks as well as changing main bearings and starter bearings. The engine is an OS 50 Hyper and i have changed the bearings in this as well.

    I think the problem has got to be vibration but cannot find it anywhere. I have also changed the tail output shaft and bearings and changed the plastic tail blades for Ripmax carbons. Main blades are carbon fibre and as a precaution also swapped these over with my X50.

    Any ideas? Rob
    X50
    Raptor 50
    T Rex 600
    Mini Titan
    All on Futaba
    Blade MCPX using Spectrum DX6

  • #2
    Is the tail belt loose by any chance, if you have changed servo and gyros.
    Santander Factory Team

    Proud wearer of 5 x EGS

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    • #3
      Hi have you got any trim on your tx as it sounds like a problem that I had in the past.

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      • #4
        No tail belt is fine. Also checked for missing teeth as well as looked at guide bearings in case they are not running smoothly.
        X50
        Raptor 50
        T Rex 600
        Mini Titan
        All on Futaba
        Blade MCPX using Spectrum DX6

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        • #5
          No dont us sub trim for tail as you are right it can cause the confusion with the gyro. Tail is set up with head lock off and adjustmnts made on the conncting rod. Servo mounted at the base of the tail on carbon bracket.
          X50
          Raptor 50
          T Rex 600
          Mini Titan
          All on Futaba
          Blade MCPX using Spectrum DX6

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          • #6
            Ok, with all you have looked at so far, you say there is possible high vibes, is your os50 running very rich and four stroking ?
            Santander Factory Team

            Proud wearer of 5 x EGS

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            • #7
              Will try that. Have had to lean out my X50, but not touched the Raptor. Can you tell by the engine sound if it is four stroking? Not had to play with mixture on this engine (X50 has Thunder Tiger engine) in the past but will try anything. Thanks
              X50
              Raptor 50
              T Rex 600
              Mini Titan
              All on Futaba
              Blade MCPX using Spectrum DX6

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              • #8
                Like a intermediate resonating tone.
                Santander Factory Team

                Proud wearer of 5 x EGS

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                • #9
                  I will try to lean it out a bit and see if it helps.

                  I think it is a vibration issue which is affecting the gyro. I know the gyros are ok as fitted them to my x50.

                  The last option is to switch the engines.
                  X50
                  Raptor 50
                  T Rex 600
                  Mini Titan
                  All on Futaba
                  Blade MCPX using Spectrum DX6

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                  • #10
                    Check head temp on motor if you have temp gun, if not finger in backplate hot enough to touch for a while. Cause may need to richened rather than leaned.
                    Santander Factory Team

                    Proud wearer of 5 x EGS

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by GIXERMAN View Post
                      Check head temp on motor if you have temp gun, if not finger in backplate hot enough to touch for a while. Cause may need to richened rather than leaned.
                      I think it is an engine problem too...........I've had this myself and it was when I wrecked an engine but could this be a mixture problem or maybe a clutch problem. I have had erratic engines that really mess up tail response.
                      Helicopter pilots get it up quicker.

                      When the blue light is flashing I am kidding.

                      Why simplify when it is so much simpler to complicate.

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                      • #12
                        Thanks to everyone who took the time to read and / or post replies.


                        Think i have finally found the problem after removing the tail blades and running the engine up with head loaders on. The vibration disappeared even at full throttle. Put the tail blades back on and noticed they were slightly out of alignment so concluded it must be the tail hub that has slightly bent where the tail grips attach. I had to replace the last stainless one after the locking allen bolts became siezed when i needed to replace the tail output shaft, but replaced it with the alloy version as stainless was out of stock. Never again!!!! Hopefully this will fix the problem but have also ordered a new engine for it as well as the OS50 Hyper is getting on a bit now.
                        X50
                        Raptor 50
                        T Rex 600
                        Mini Titan
                        All on Futaba
                        Blade MCPX using Spectrum DX6

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by Rob99 View Post
                          Think i have finally found the problem after removing the tail blades and running the engine up with head loaders on.
                          Well I never expected that. Glad it is sorted!
                          Helicopter pilots get it up quicker.

                          When the blue light is flashing I am kidding.

                          Why simplify when it is so much simpler to complicate.

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                          • #14
                            Ok, tail output shaft wasnt the problem. New engine arrived so will change it over and see if it sorts the problem out. Tried altering the fuel mixture on the existing engine but still the same.

                            The vibration starts at half throttle and gets worse to the point where this causes the tail blades to fall out of alignment causing excessive vibration which affects the gyro.

                            By the way, seen on a lot of posts members list their models as a 'footer'. Cant seem to see in my profile page how this i done.
                            Last edited by Rob99; 01-03-2014, 08:00 PM.
                            X50
                            Raptor 50
                            T Rex 600
                            Mini Titan
                            All on Futaba
                            Blade MCPX using Spectrum DX6

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                            • #15
                              thats your "signature" rob . Edit it in the settings menu
                              Ron

                              hobby-hangar.co.uk
                              SWRCH-GO big or Go home!
                              http://www.ultimatebuildandfly.co.uk/

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