Phoenix V2 beta

[garynitro]

Just got a "ODE INTERNAL ERROR 1" useing v2.00b
Game just froze, bNormalizationResult failed in ../../include\ode/odemath.h:304
Running vista 32 ultimate

[chemicalbro]

And the T-rex 600 nitro RED !

I know there is a t-rex 600 nitro on there but i do prefer the red one as it is the same as mine...

the nitro red is still there......
when you select the heli , and look under the list pane there is a button that says default....
click this to see the canopy variations


concerning the missing models

if you look at the object files for each model there is now an extra file type for V2 .pxm i.e. raptor30.pxm

whereas before it only had the geo (geometry), fly (flight model) and texture files, it appears that the pxm file replaces the old .fly format (looked at the f117 which was new to v2)
I assume that as they get round to changing each flight model to the new pxm format they will repost them as downloads on the site...

[inferno]

I think its great!!! the whole keep ground in view is a lot better for perspective and i can actually fly a bit better now.

Also the crashes/ground effect is a lot better ... although thats just me and i cant fly anyway lol.

havent tried the online game yet...

[HiltonSteve]

Just got a "ODE INTERNAL ERROR 1" useing v2.00b
Game just froze, bNormalizationResult failed in ../../includeode/odemath.h:304
Running vista 32 ultimate

Might be useful for the Phoenix people (who I am sure look on here) to know what spec your PC is when you get a crash, ie processor, graphics card, memory as well as operating system. A lot of problems may be due to graphics card or graphics card driver issues, double check you have got the latest graphics drivers.

Just a thought....

[chemicalbro]

Might be useful for the Phoenix people (who I am sure look on here) to know what spec your PC is when you get a crash, ie processor, graphics card, memory as well as operating system. A lot of problems may be due to graphics card or graphics card driver issues, double check you have got the latest graphics drivers.

Just a thought....

when and if a crash happens it will give you the option to send an error report to the phoenix guys... (you should do this every time)
all of your machine specs,drivers etc and error logs will be in this report
and will give the guys a chance to see any compatibility issues.

[Highlander]

Well i installed the update last night and was on it for an hour or more, no crashes or felling sick. My set up is a little different: Mac Pro (intel chipset) running windows on another disc, but im no expert!!

[chemicalbro]

I just i did a little comparison for online.
went on with 1.05j... with all graphics options on high, 4 pilots, the frame rate was between 140-160 FPS
on V2 with all graphics set low it was 15-20 FPS and more or less unuseable
(the flying field was the same in both instances)
i know a lot of people will say that its meant to be a learning tool and the online isn't that important, but its fun all the same.
there were 3 people on and as the sky filled with the new smoke system (even on low setting) the framerate got worse and worse dropping to a low of 6fps. (i can draw faster than that with a crayon )
perhaps an option to turn smoke off altogether is in order.
hopefully the online issues are also something that can be sorted before the final release.

one thing i am pleased about tho for online is that they have got rid of the annoying welcome popup

[barney]

Hi Ash...yes I would agree its very close to 1.05J now. My own observations are as follows

I've always felt gravity in Phoenix didn't suck you down quick enough, still do TBH. For a partial quick fix I tend to Run the Sim speed a little above 100% which helps but its still not enough IMHO. Its been much the same through the previous versions too.

I did suggest a gravity slider but it fell on deaf ears or was not practicial. (I would still like that option)

I think the flight test team did have a play around away back somewhere around 1.03 with this, but at the time it would have been a massive undertaking requiring a re-work of all the other model settings to possibly accomadate this.


At the time I remember they changed something that adverseley effected a Heli whilst doing funnels causing them to 'Kite out' very easily making it very hard to maintain a constant height but Ade/Bob re-hashed the files to help sort that one out to some extent.


On my PC at 1280x1024 Certainly for the 700 it now sits closer than on 1.05J at start up (previously I would zoom in on a model via my Mouse wheel a little)
I think the current depth of field is the most realistic to date of any previous versions + the motion sickness feeling is away. Please keep it as is Phoenix.

Personally I really hate using the Autozoom feature with maybe the exception of plank flying. The other Sim no no is a background screaming around to much as it all gets a bit frantic.(RF3/3.5 was guilty of that) At the mo its about right.

So gravity, also the models are a little too perfect.
A good test for this is to hover the model go +/-12 deg scream up/down a few times and its still exactly sat in the same place..even a beginner will say is it really like that (only Duncan O's model looks to fly like that) Crack flying still missing.

Something else I've always felt lacking in Phoenix that works well in another well known brand Sim is when you touch the tail lightly you get limited damage as per the real model allowing you to hit throttle hold and practice those little emergencies you can get in a real life situation. Phoenix doesn't imitate this very well at the mo.

I'm sure the boys at Phoenix are aware of most of this and look forward to the next beta update Brian

[heliTV]

So gravity, also the models are a little too perfect.
A good test for this is to hover the model go +/-12 deg scream up/down a few times and its still exactly sat in the same place..even a beginner will say is it really like that (only Duncan O's model looks to fly like that) Crack flying still missing.

Sorry for the newbie questions... does this mean Phoeniz is easier or more difficult than the real thing (presumably easier)?

Also, with a due sense of foreboding over the impending jokes, what IS crack flying...

Thanks

[chemicalbro]

easier than the real thing.. with less gravity the helis are a little more floaty

fear not
crack flying is rapid movements on the cyclic controls to get the heli shaking (like its on crack )
[ame]http://uk.youtube.com/watch?v=QcSd1dQ81Hs&feature=related&fmt=18[/ame]
you'll know it when you see it...4 mins in he starts doing some serious crack moves

[garynitro]

Might be useful for the Phoenix people (who I am sure look on here) to know what spec your PC is when you get a crashJust a thought....

hi, i did e-mail them saying what i posted! But, i didn't send what spec the pc was lol.

Core 2 Duo 3.2GHz
4GB ram
8800GT 1GB GFX
X-Fi Gamer sound card
22" monitor 1680x1050
All settings @ high

[Tim Procter]

easier than the real thing.. with less gravity the helis are a little more floaty

fear not
crack flying is rapid movements on the cyclic controls to get the heli shaking (like its on crack )

you'll know it when you see it...4 mins in he starts doing some serious crack moves

I never tire of watching that clip, Those moves Alan is performing are mega hard without creating "Crack" movements..

[waveydavey]

Following a botched install does anyone know where I can download the original files for a clean load. My CD has a cyclic redundancy error so won't install.

[garynitro]

Following a botched install does anyone know where I can download the original files for a clean load. My CD has a cyclic redundancy error so won't install.

You could try copying the cd and running the copy?

[chemicalbro]

I never tire of watching that clip, Those moves Alan is performing are mega hard without creating "Crack" movements..

.... crack piro flips and inverted crack funnels ...wtf
the camera work is top notch also.

i've got a larger sized version of it on my hd (960x540 res)
which is MUCH better quality that the youtube garbage.

although i did add the &fmt=18 onto the link (this makes a LOT of youtube videos display the higher quality version if available) most vids posted after Jan 2008 have this feature and you just add that command onto the end of the link.