Phoenix V2 beta

[Ade_Law]

of course Ade, when you can fly as well as Mike Williams (must note, one of the top 3D pilots in the country, and in the top 5 of pattern), i think a comment like that can be justified. inexperienced is NOT a word i would use for Mike.

Not tried Phoenix for a long time, i find that the helis have no authority and the planes were useless (before you state that i have no opinion, i am #2 for fixed wing freestyle aerobatics in the country) in all the updates that i used previous to V2. i will try V2 when i can, but i dont think slating the helpers out is going to fix any issues

Ian, thanks for the reply, I know of mike williams but just because you can fly doesnt mean you an transfer that skill to developing the sim. 3d champs was my first heli competition i placed 5th, does that make me any better a pilot today than i was on friday?

FYI i have been flying for 18 years, and played with most stuff over that time. I Competed and won the UK slope pylon league and placed well in F3F on many occasions including international events. I also fly fixed wing 3d occasionally thanks to 3djim and thomas letting me fly their models, just because i dont compete doesnt mean i dont know what im talking about ESPECIALLY when it comes to phoenix.

its not mikes fault of that im sure.

Ade

[Tim Procter]

but just because you can fly doesnt mean you an transfer that skill to developing the sim.

100% agree with that comment.

[Ashley Davis]

Ian, no argument with you but your post reads like you are accusing me of insulting someone, which I have not done. Just thought I'd point that out.

[Ian]

no im talking in general of this thread Ashley, not your post.

its OK to pick a fault with something, i have no issues with that, but when it becomes personal thats when it starts to get out of order. I could list an arms length of things i dislike about Phoenix, but would i say its the "flying developers" fault? err no, personal and professional keep them seperate, nobody gets offended, everyone gets their say. easy huh?

Ade, i wasnt in any way saying anything about your flying, infact, i didnt even come close to mentioning anything about your flying. I do agree however that you MUST be a good pilot to make a simulator right. its like flying and designing a "real" plane. I assume mike did no programming, he purely said "this plane needs XYZ changing" and the programmers changed it. real plane terms, its like the pilot saying wingtip area needs to be decreased for the model to snap better, and the builder/designer of model changes it to suit.

Just my opinion, but personal comments do not fair well in this sort of situation, keep it clean and we can get the simulator flying better.

Ian

[Smoothound]

I think this is great personally to be honest

Phoenix have had Addict users sucking their arse for so long with little input or comment. The minute they get a bit of a black mark/downer/negative it is tears before tea time

Bells are ringing in my head of the old days back on the Ikarus Board when Nobrot Grutjens got his knickers in a twist and also good old Wolfgang at Reflex as soon as the worms turned

[Tim Procter]

Ade, i wasnt in any way saying anything about your flying, infact, i didnt even come close to mentioning anything about your flying.

ERM!!!

of course Ade, when you can fly as well as Mike Williams (must note, one of the top 3D pilots in the country, and in the top 5 of pattern), i think a comment like that can be justified

[Ian]

ohh yeah, hmm, cant deny that! i take it back, sorry, but the rest of my post, i stand with. Note: must proof read

[liaan]

edit: still don't work on vista 64bit ;-(


got it to work.. need to use orginal cd's.. not downloaded versions ;-(

-- Slope soaring not realistic.. for some reason they think lift better closer to hill, but real life is not. lift band extends forward and up awasy from hills
--- default wind direction on slope all 90 degrees off. so side on.
-- can aaallmooosstt sloap soar heli.. ;-)

[Ashley Davis]

ok, to get this back on topic (as it's my thread)........

the point of this thread is to get a shared and concesus view on what is wrong/broken. Phoenix can read the thread or I can summarise when we are done in an email to them or phone John/Scott myself. Either way the plan is to tell them what's up as a community rather than them getting multiple and conflicting views and then not knowing what the hell to do to resolve.

[raptorheli2]

ok, just tried it and couple of things.

1. still can't crack

2. stevie wonders dog could auto any of the helis

3. still can't crack

4. the dx7 setup for pitch is wrong, this used to work perfectly so the calibration process is off

5. still can't crack

6. did i mention it STILL CAN'T CRACK!!! wtf phoenix, PLEASEEEEEEE fix this.

i only used it for 2-3 mins so i'll comment after a good 30 min session.

cheers

[Ashley Davis]

please document any crashes of the program and what you did to cause the crash.

[fatmantom]

wtf is crack!? lol

[Ashley Davis]

collective pitch response is too slow. Stationary pitch pumps (full positive to full negative) give a too slow transition, so it feels mushy when you go from full negative to full positive. On a real model the acceleration is more instantaneous. Phoenix still seems to accelerate very slowly like the model is lacking in collective range.

[jiberjaber]

The T700 works fine for me, full collective and full throttle it flys up nearly straight. I did notice it is out of trim though, seens to have a lot of tail weight.

Knight 3D flys OK.

Not too sick with the movement, but the sky dome effect (I'll remember the right words sometime tonight) is a little off putting.

I like the selectable info on the display (FPS, RPM etc) and also the fact you can now re-size the TX.

Auto updates is nice as well, but didnt see the newly installed stuff when it restarted though.

[Tim Procter]

wtf is crack!? lol

Drugs Tom.... Stay away from that subject son. Its bad for you..