Which tail servo and gyro for newbie

[Ed]

I've just gone from a csm180 to a csm310 and it is great.
All the setting up is done on the ground with a little switch flicking to set the normal mode trim.
It will switch between both modes, is easy to set up and would be great for a beginner.
I'm using it with a 3001 servo and it spins plenty fast enough for me.
I don't have the spare cash for the 401/9252.
Just sticking my oar in.

[Janek]

Ed, the quality of the servo has little effect on the rate of spin that can be achieved by the tail. If you ever have any sort of tail failure (God forbid), you'll see what mean .

The quality/speed of the tail servo will effect the accuracy of "holding" the tail position during flight.

[Ed]

I meant to say the heli spins quicker with the new gyro than it did with the old one, would that make sense?

[Augusto]

Get the 401 or if possible or you can afford it and you're in for the long run get a 601 (there are a few used ones out there) so that you don't have to sell he 401 after you become an advanced pilot.
It will definitely make it a lot easier to learn.

Most people that give opinions on the 601 have never owned one and they just say "stay with the 401" because they haven't seen the huge difference between them so they don't know what they are missing.

Let me put it this way so you know how important is to have the right electronics. If I was offered an EVO-50 with a 601 and digital servos and a fury with a 401 and analog servos I would chose the EVO-50 in a heartbeat and never look back and consider anyone that though the choice was a bad one an inexperienced pilot that's not advanced in his flying enoguh to see the wisdon of that choice.

Augusto.

[Janek]

Please welcome Augusto to our little forum, you're most welcome to visit

[marktigere1]

Welcome Augusto

Mark

[raptorcopy]

just a quick post to say chappers leave off ade he taught me to take off hover and land in 5 hours which i thought was pretty good i fly with ade every other weekend and if you have any problems he sorts them all out for you no probs and doesnt use it to make money, just to pass knowledge on which i might say he has bundles off and reading his last post good on him i doubt there is many people here that could have worded what he had to say about the gyro as well.

BIG UP ADE WELL DONE MATE :lol:

[chappers]

look, before this gets out of hand, i was answering a guy who seems to have limited funds. nothing wrong with that we all have a budget for our toys. And i agree with Ade in so much as a good combo will outlast the model etc etc..., i myself use TOP quality futaba gear in ALL my competition machines, however and this is the crunch, to advacate to beginners that the ONLY way to go is to buy TOP gear is wrong. ok a reasonable set up is 175 or so but if the guy only has 100 what is he to do? ALL i am trying to say is BUY THE BEST YOU CAN AFFORD and if that is a 300 set up brilliant! but if its a 50 set up that too is fine! Yes the 300 gear will be better, last longer, and have a greater return should you wish to sell it, BUT if he hasnt got 300 surely his 50 set up will suffice?
As for having digs at Ade he is big enough to answer himself, and normally does when i confront him face to face at comps.
This is a forum with people pf all levels of ability, skills, money and OPINIONS! so if someone disagrees with you remember they are entitled to their opinion (even if you are all wrong!)
merry xmas
keith
ps.. at least it woke MO up!!??

[Augusto]

I agree with you Keith. If funds are scarce you have to do with what you have. The important thing at the end of the day is to put that heli in the air.

The reason I posted that is so that people that have the funds and wouldn't mind buying top of the line electronics don't get confused and think that they won't benefit from having high end equipment because they will benefit inmensely.

Regards,

Augusto.

[brashhighlander]

Thanks for all your comments, I probably should have told you my budget so people would know what I could afford and then make a judgement.

Ok I have 350 to buy everything I need apart from:
Heli - Raptor 30
Radio - Futaba FF7
Engine - TT39
Muffler - Weston genesis tuned pipe
Tools

I recon 50 for receiver, 40 for 4 S3001, field equip i.e starter, batteries, 12v dry cell et 100, Training gear 15.

So unless I have forgotten anything I have 150 to spare. I think I will go for the 401 and a cheaper servo and spend the rest on fuel.

Jim

[Ade_Law]

Augusto, (Mr Avant/Carbonxetreme) welcome to rcheliaddict

i spent about an hour trying to talk one of our members out of buying a 601, yes he was buying it from me.

why? because he didnt need one. but he wanted the bling factor.

I have already shown you the 401 is the cheapest option (160uk) in the long term.

so with that thinking it is the only way is a 401.

if you really really cant afford the combo then just get the 401 with a 3001 and set it up to suit. As you can see you are loosing out the least with this combo and "saving" 50ukp in the short term.

Ade

[Jamez]

Just to get involved, I also use a CSM310, but with a sanwa sx 112, whilst not the quickest and not digital it is a 'high frame rate' analouge servo which is the very thing the 310 was desigend for and they work well together. As for needing the best gear, learn to fly on the basic's, and learn to fly properly, then you can get the rest of the 'bling' and the 300 quid gyro's once you can fly, Heading hold is all well and good, but it has caused me problems because I always under estimate the turn expecting the tail to follow, and it doesn't so it come's out sideways........ the tail don't follow the nose with a heading hold........

[chappers]

good point james!

[Ade_Law]

sure, normal mode makes it a bit easier to start with.

your going to need to learn to fly in HH full time at some point. If you learn to do circuits in normal mode you will have to re-learn later on.

I really dont see the fuss. Its not hard, just different.

Ade

[Jamez]

Don't get me wrong, it is a very useful tool, for hovering in windy conditions, and lot's of other things that you can progress onto after you've been flying for a while, I love my heading hold gyro, and it works, and the servo/gyro combination was about 80 quid, and as for re sale, why would I want to ? the only time it would be changed is if it needs to be, and flying what i do at the moment there is no need to change.

To fly you don't have to have the best gear, it just has to work, and be right for you.

Just out of interest,Why am I 'going to need to fly HH full time?'