Another Newbie

[Heli-JG]

Hello everyone my name is Jason and i keep thinking about getting a electric helicopter to get me started,at the moment i fly powered gliders always liked the heli's but they look harder to fly so keep well off them.

Iv been chatting to someone selling a Esky Belt Cap Carbon and hes also selling with it a G4 Flight Sim with all 5 add on's.

He's looking for £170 ono

Would this be a good Heli to start with and comments welcome

[Oli]

Hello Jason, welcome to the forum. I have no personal experiance of the particular heli or sim you mentioned, but I am sure both would work ok. The small helis are in general harder to fly than the bigger ones. Larger rotadisk area being more stable. But you can make the small ones fly nice to, a lot of it is down to having decent internals in them. You get what you pay for. Im sure others will agree that if your looking at small electrics then have a look at the Blade400, mini titan or a trex450. And as for a sim then the one always recomended on here is Phoniex, one of the more reasonably priced ones and highly recomended. I will leave it to someone else to comment on the esky.


Once again welcome.

Oli

[Heli8or]

Hi and welcome to the forum.
I agree with oli. Phoenix sim. I have reflex but downloaded phoenix trial version recently and looks much better and cheaper. I went straight into flying nitro heli`s with no previous RC experience, and the sim has been worth every penny. I believe it`s harder to go to flying heli`s from planks as opposed to learning heli`s first. Not sure if that`s true or not, but a sim will give you an idea.

[Heli-JG]

Hello guys thanks for the info it's all been taken in

Just thought i would post more info of the Esky Heli

This helicopter comes complete ready to fly out of the box, all thats needed is to charge the battery's .
1x1800 20c
2x2200 20c
All cells voltage as new
USB Flight Sim lead and Sim software on 6 disks.
Not much that needs upgrading its has it all there! Full CNC Head/Tail Carbon! That said i have put on Titanium Turnbuckles 44mm makes blade tracking very easy.
It has Esky Head Hold Gyro(ESKY professional gyro is in box too).
Now has a 30amp ART-Teck ESC with BEC.
It has been well maintained and is in very good condition.
Does come with Spares :
Feathering Shaft(not a cheap soft metal one)x1
Main Shaft x1.
I can send you high res pictures so you can see for yourself how neat it is.
Pitch gauge

[cambs flyer]

Welcome mate, and I hope you take the plunge and give helicopters a stab, once you've gained experience on the sims, and it's vital you do before anything, taking your first CCP machine for its first hop hovers and progress from there is very fulfilling.

As I'm sure you've experienced with your Gliders, the sim you mentioned is a very fine piece of software indeed.

Alternatively, If you'd come here and hadn't had this offer, I'd say go for Phoenix & a cheapy Coaxial from e-bay say a Lama 4, just for some simple getting used to having something in the air and cyclic controls.

It depends how much you want to spend, has your friend offered you the Belt CP? We have a few members who fly them with excellent success, plus the upgrades and spares are plentifully.

Ideally the Blade 400 or Twister Storm RTF bundles supplied with the excellent DX6i would be ideal, there's no reason to start with Contras, only it worked for me, and I can only offer you my personal experience.

Trouble is CCP helis cost quite a bit while learning what with crash damage replacement parts and so on, thing is there's many avenues to start from and I'm sure other more knowledgeable members can offer more expert advise.

If spending a few extra £££ is possible, and this is only one possible example, say you've gone for the Blade 400 RTF package £260, Phoenix £80, if you could spare another £100ish simply due to there indestructibly and cheap running cost buy a 4#3a (why a) well I'm thinking of your budget as the "b" doesn't do more then the a, and the extra saved will buy you 5 motors from Terence in HK, this will offer you real flying, OK it's fixed pitched, but it's as close to flying a CCP as you'd ever get without the repair bills.

This will teach you how to fly a real heli, without the cost, and would springboard you to a 400 Class machine with some real flying experience, I know this is possibly a strange idea, and I'm sure others may rightly disagree, but we've had members before who've had to pack it in due to the spiraling running repair costs, but after flying this wonderful little machine did it hit me what a wonderful teaching aid this would be without high running costs, apart from purchasing a heat sink for the main motor and a few spares in the accessory box.

Had I owned one before launching my 450 for the first time I really think it may have helped me, OK I managed to gain loads of sim time before, but there's nothing like real flying time.

Anyway I hope I've offered a few alternatives and not confused the situation, listen to what the guys say here, and you wont go far wrong, plus becoming a full contribution member the advise at hand here is second to none.

Good luck my friend.

[Heli-JG]

Two pictures of it

[cambs flyer]

Matty could offer some excellent advise here concerning this machine.

All looks very nice indeed.

[Made2Fade]

Hello everyone my name is Jason and i keep thinking about getting a electric helicopter to get me started,at the moment i fly powered gliders always liked the heli's but they look harder to fly so keep well off them.

Iv been chatting to someone selling a Esky Belt Cap Carbon and hes also selling with it a G4 Flight Sim with all 5 add on's.

He's looking for £170 ono

Would this be a good Heli to start with and comments welcome

I wouldnt if i were you mate. You'll only get them then sell them on when you realise nearly everyone that gets on here uses Phoenix RC and you can get Belt CP's cheap as muck on ebay now. Wouldnt be my first choice of helicopter. Get yourself a Co-axial helicopter like the Blade CX2 and then if and when you can fly that around your living room doing circuits and plenty of nose in. Then think about a 6 channel helicopter. For me it would be a choice of the blade 400 rtf/Thunder Tiger mini titan (preferably the SE) or the TRex 450 (the SE2 being the prefered one but obviously thats depending on your budget). Thats going on a 400/450 size electric helicopter anyways.

Cheers
Lee

[cambs flyer]

Lee worded it better then I, but Phoenix and a BCX2 to start from a clean slate would be ideal.

[Made2Fade]

Matty could offer some excellent advise here concerning this machine.

All looks very nice indeed.

Mattys not quite happy with his metal head (same one as in them pictures). So much so hes ordered a diffrent one. Even i had a go at trying to get the play out of it when i met him. To no aveil unfortunately. Its fine for flying circuits and stuff but not much good for anything else. Obviously if its a budget thing then give it a try. If it were me id rather put the funds towards something thats gonna last and fly better. Matty also upgraded the ESC and motor to the stock mini titan ones because they just didnt seem right. He couldnt get any sort of power out of the stock Esky ones.

Cheers
Lee

[Made2Fade]

Lee worded it better then I, but Phoenix and a BCX2 to start from a clean slate would be ideal.

Its definately the route i would have taken if they were around when i started this hobby.

Cheers
Lee

[cambs flyer]

I didn't know that mate, Jason, classic example at the end of page one what I said about the knowledge here.

[Made2Fade]

Dont get me wrong im no expert but ive got/built enough models to know a bit of this and that. And i gotta say now well over half of that knowledge probably gained from here
I couldnt see a way of getting rid of the slop on Mattys Belt CP, well not without changing out quite a few bits anyways. Which would bring me to the point 'if you have to change a few things on the model then whats the point of buying that particular model in the first place?'. Why not buy something that works properly straight away? Thats why i advise against it and to get one of the better quality models i suggested. Obviously everyone is diffrent and sometimes its merely down to personal choice. One thing i have learned on here though and alot of people will say the same is... buy once buy right! Dont waste your money basically. Just my opinion though. In fact ask Mattydredd if he wishes he'd bought a diffrent model. The amount of money he has now spent on it to try to get it flying right/nicely he could have had that TRex 450 SE2 that he so wants now.
Cheers
Lee

[Heli-JG]

Yeh thanks for the info Lee also the person may have a Trex SE coming up for sale soon & he's done some upgrades to it.

[Made2Fade]

Dont get me wrong mate the belt cp isnt the worst helicopter or anything ya know. Its just im telling you what id do and probably what the majority would on here (unless ive been in a timewarp since ive been on here lol... could be possible mind ). You'll definately find the helicopters ive mentioned easier to fly thats for sure. And theres far more advice on here or anywhere else for that matter if you get the Blade/Mini T or TRex.
Hope i havent put a downer on the situation mind... i know what its like to have your hopes up and think yeh this helicopter looks the biz and then to be told 'well actually its not that good mate'. Good luck which ever way you go. We'll be around on here when ya get stuck either way
Cheers
Lee