MSH Brain vs Vbar

[Tim Procter]

i say give one a go

I say get Rob Turnbull on the buddy lead again and video it.

I would certainly pay to watch that.

[Jamin_00]

In my early days of learning to fly yes I had a Helicommand and it did work BUT!!!

That was in the days when I was struggling to do figure 8s and learning orientation stuff, not getting well into 3D like Rob Barnes is now.

IMO Rob is well past the recovery implements that are available now at the stage he is at.

PS: Rob Turnbull has my sympathy buddy leading you Rob, Comedy central..

Couldn't be further from the truth. I know pro's who use it. Dont have to be ninja quick unless your 2 inches of the ground. I have it on a switch which is right where my finger is naturally. If your trying new moves then your up higher anyway but the rescue feature gives you the confidence to try the moves in the first place without fear of crashing. If I then do a move I have learnt low and crash because I couldnt hit the rescue then so be it but I would have learnt it without crashing in the first place

You get used to it and the first sign something is going wrong, bam, I hit that stick and it goes skyward. I dont know the Brain Rob but I hear it flies very well but the self level is not great??? the Rescue mode which levels you and fires it skyward (on the BD units) regardless of orientation is so quick I turn it down from 9 which is default to 6 and thats still quick. It goes to 12 I think on the BD units. By far the best thing I have got in to for a a long time getting one of these. Saved me a fortune and pushing me to the next level which I was happy not going to tbh.

Just fitted one to Ronnies Goblin 700 and after 2 flights he cant tell no difference in how it flies between that and his last system. Which is how I felt tbf plus you have Noel who is a legend with them. No calibration needed for the SL or rescue it just works and friggin well to

BD3-SX all day, expensive yes but god knows how much it has saved me just from learning piro flips alone lol plus now I tend to not use it as much so worth its weight in gold. These new ones are exceptional and the latest firmware

Sim is boring as heck I cant stop from being silly so just dont bother but every few months I have 5 mins here or there

[Gixxer]

As others have said, by the time you've found and flicked the switch, it could well be too late... But this just gave me an idea:

If you remove one of the switches from your transmitter and replace it with a 3.5mm stereo socket, you could run a lanyard to an externally operated switch.


We don't always have enough time to react in an inevitable crash situation, so we should let our involuntary reactions do the work for us.


Ladies and Gentlemen....


Allow me to introduce...




The pucker Pilot!






Optional teeth clenching pressure sensor for those who prefer a less intrusive alternative.

[Rob O]

haha brilliant . I reckon youve spelt it wrong though GIXXER . On a side note surely if you are quick enough to hit hold which most of us are then surely there is no reason to be to slow hitting bail out . Just a thought as ive never had a FBL system with that function , but as Ben says the Sim is not for everyone , i am also bored within about 10 mins & just start buggering about . I may well try one at some point , if the technology is there & it certainly seems to work well for some . I agree its not maybe for everyone though .

[tonystevens]

Rob, if your good at hitting throttle hold before it goes in then id go for it, give one a try. it might be just the thing to bring your flying on. I can see the advantages especially if you find the sim boring. Im half tempted myself after reading this thread lol

[waveydavey]

As others have said, by the time you've found and flicked the switch, it could well be too late... But this just gave me an idea:

If you remove one of the switches from your transmitter and replace it with a 3.5mm stereo socket, you could run a lanyard to an externally operated switch.

We don't always have enough time to react in an inevitable crash situation, so we should let our involuntary reactions do the work for us.

Ladies and Gentlemen....

Allow me to introduce...

The pucker Pilot!

Optional teeth clenching pressure sensor for those who prefer a less intrusive alternative.

Absolute quality

[waveydavey]

I'm the opposite I can bore the pants off myself on the sim but still repeat the maneouvre over and over without giving up. I'm a mediocre pilot at the field but when it goes tits up I'm still late in getting to hold, might be the fight it all the way to the ground mentality though

[Mike Sanders]

My flying at height issue is one of losing depth perception/instinct fighting logic as to knowing which way round it is.

I am exactly the same. The pucker pilot would be ideal for me except that it would be bailing out the heli every five seconds or so.

Don't let Wavey Davey kid you into thinking that he is a mediocre pilot. I have seen him fly.

[enterpryse]

Ive got 3.

Slight tail nodding to be tweaked out but dead impressed and bail out has help me progress much more quickly. Sold the BeastX's which were also very good,just no bailout.

[George J]

Spend more time on the sim not more money on hardware Rob.

Generally when you are in trouble and heading for the ground you freeze anyway.

Not the answer you were looking for but that's my opinion.

+1 agreed.

When i'm in the sh£t I really don't think there is many occasions where i'd get a chance or time to flick a switch. In the few spills i've had i've been fighting the heli into the ground and as we all know it happens so fast you barely get time to hit hold before the heli is in (usually not in my case anyway)
The heli hits the ground and then I think maybe I should flick hold.............oh, and swear a bit!
Cannot get on with the sim personally and just go out and try it for real......but high though!

[simm0]

I'm not quite sure what all the talk is about ???.some pilots want bail out some don't.
I personally don't want it and think it can make people lazy and some wont even try to recover the model.but choose what you want i say.

Craig

[SaneAdam]

I'm not quite sure what all the talk is about ???.some pilots want bail out some don't.
I personally don't want it and think it can make people lazy and some wont even try to recover the model.but choose what you want i say.

Craig

I agree. I love all this talk of go up high and use bail out..... Surely, if you are high up, around say 3 mistakes high maybe, you just save the model yourself????!!! I do anyway. Learn your orientations so when you are falling out of the sky there will never be a second where you cannot control it. Its all good practice. I just don't see the need other than for total beginners. IMO it is bloody cheating Unless you are so bad that you just crash all the time.... but then this hobby aint for you imo

IMO of course.

[pgkevet]

I agree. I love all this talk of go up high and use bail out..... Surely, if you are high up, around say 3 mistakes high maybe, you just save the model yourself????!!! I do anyway. Learn your orientations so when you are falling out of the sky there will never be a second where you cannot control it. Its all good practice. I just don't see the need other than for total beginners. IMO it is bloody cheating Unless you are so bad that you just crash all the time.... but then this hobby aint for you imo

You assume that up high is the same for everyone...some of us cannot resolve the heli well above 100 feet, others can see it at 400 feet. Learned orientations are a prerequisite but in hazy or patchy light, against a backdrop of tree studded hills or when the sun comes out of the clouds and you get glare..heck we aren't all at your God-like state of perfect reflexes and from 100 feet i may have less than 2 seconds to save and/or bail out. If I try new stuff I do crash often because for me most manoeuvers are more about perfect entry than about flying/correcting it through. If you have the entry and timing right then it flies itself through.

My wife would probably agree that this hobby isn't for me - but I enjoy it, battle with repetition until the second nature effect finally clicks and what was a nightmare becomes easy boredom. I welcome the idea of saving repair time and costs through my hamfisted learning curves.

this is all about why kids learn quicker than most adults..no fear, fast reflexes, good vision and faster learning of muscle memory and working better with instinct than thought. My brain is old, knackered and dull.

[SaneAdam]

You assume that up high is the same for everyone...some of us cannot resolve the heli well above 100 feet, others can see it at 400 feet. Learned orientations are a prerequisite but in hazy or patchy light, against a backdrop of tree studded hills or when the sun comes out of the clouds and you get glare..heck we aren't all at your God-like state of perfect reflexes and from 100 feet i may have less than 2 seconds to save and/or bail out. If I try new stuff I do crash often because for me most manoeuvers are more about perfect entry than about flying/correcting it through. If you have the entry and timing right then it flies itself through.

My wife would probably agree that this hobby isn't for me - but I enjoy it, battle with repetition until the second nature effect finally clicks and what was a nightmare becomes easy boredom. I welcome the idea of saving repair time and costs through my hamfisted learning curves.

this is all about why kids learn quicker than most adults..no fear, fast reflexes, good vision and faster learning of muscle memory and working better with instinct than thought. My brain is old, knackered and dull.

Fair enough. Up high for me is about 40 to 50 feet. Which i admit is not that high. But as you say vis becomes an issue. Which is why i like to keep it low. I get a nose bleed if i go too high lol I always like to keep at where i can always read the disc. Not really a big air flyer tbh

But i agree as you say that everyone is different reflexes wise.

[p4ddy]

On occasions when conditions are generally sh!t I can loose orientation with it 10ft in front of me lol. I just get a sudden brain fart (usually a wet one so I clean up with a cotton bud )