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  • Wireless Phoenix !

    It was a daft idea but it works....

    Disclamer:
    If you buggger up your Pheonix dongle its not my fault ! There are two ways of doing this one way does not involve opening the dongle. (its at the bottom)

    Phoenix goes wireless. A mad man called Ade planted a seed of an idea and it degenerated into a fully functional make life easy addition to the heli bits.

    You will need an olde 35Mhz PPM reciver i used an FP-R115F and about half an hour. i will start with a bit of background.

    Phoenix uses a composite PPM signal from the trainer outlet on the transmitter. This is a bunch of servo pulses one after another. This is the same signal that is recived by the reciver prior to the decode chip. so the evil idea that was planted came into being..... Lets connect the phoenix dongle to a reciver (in the right place).. A scope and 5 mins later the set of pulses had been identified.

    In the case of the futaba reciver it was so easy it was obvious. Inside the RX there are two seperate PCB's one is the reciver one is the decoder. they are connected together with a three pin link. That is the only connections between the top and bottom PCB. This becomes obvious at this point. Power Ground and comp PPM.

    Now as it turns out the ground is basicly the black wire on a servo or battery and can easly be proved. The power is the middle pin. this is a 3.3v feed to the reciever there is a regulator between the battery input and here. and the remaining pin is composite PPM and the futaba decoders take this signal exactly as it needs to be presented to phoenix.

    So connections to the reciever are as follows (use a servo socket lead) Black to the ground side (battery black wire) on the servo conection jumper bank. Red 5V to the battery supply (battery Red wire) or center pin on the servo connection. White to the Composite PPM lead that goes between the two pcbs on the R115 its the pin closest to the servo connections (3.3v is in the middle and ground is the other end)

    So now you have an extra wire coming out of your RX. Need to plug it into the Phoenix dongle !

    Open it up..... there are two wires that enter the box one is from USB and one from TX. The lead from TX is a 2 core screened cable. You will need to peel the outer covering from this to expose teh conductors The screen and a red and white wire.

    Connect a servo lead as follows. The black lead is the ground. This connects to the screen (bare copper) on the lead that goes to your TX. The White connects to the red lead (verify this it is the Tip of the TX plug). Then you need 5v. This comes from the USB lead. Its the red lead inside the 4 core screened cable. See pictures below.

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    Then theres the option for those not wising to delve into their dongle....

    Same as above but you need only the Black and White lead from th RX connect these to a 3.5mm mono Jack socket. The white is the Tip the Black is the body. Plug the dongle in here and plug a battery into the reciver.




    You's guys on 2.4 will have to wait a bit longer but it is dooable i need to design a bit of hardware to recover the olde signal from the new reciever.... its a bit diferent....

    Steve...

    Outrage RC Field Rep


    Now enhanced with some more EGS's....

  • #2
    Nice work Steve

    Once they get ONLINE to work well they can sort this out
    Phil
    "Be who you are and say what you think...
    Because those that matter...don't mind...
    And those that mind... don't matter"


    Blade 130x, Park Zone Mini Sukhoi, EDF F16 thingy, some Gliders and some broken stuff

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    • #3
      nice idea Steve, i like it.

      Cheers
      Lee
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      • #4
        Bloody ace work Steve, I am impressed.

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        • #5
          thats a great idea for someone with limited pc access or like me has too many wires coming out the pc.

          the major downside is the thing is transmitting so will suck more battery juice. have you noticed any difference?

          cheers

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          • #6
            No more latency than you have with 35mhz setup... but yes tx battries are an issue...

            S
            Steve...

            Outrage RC Field Rep


            Now enhanced with some more EGS's....

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            • #7
              Sweet idea Steve.
              Perfect For those of us with a media pc connected to the telly.
              I can see some exhaustive testing being done on 48" lcd's & plasma's all over the heliaddict empire lol.
              Mind you the Wag's might not be so impressed with the idea
              martin
              Martin
              Aka RCSlopesurfer

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              • #8
                Just a couple of rembleings about 2.4....

                These sets are basicly flying routers.... I wonder how hard it would be to make a TX 'bind' to a wireless router... anybody tried this yet.... You know where i am going with this..... Reroute the USB to the wireless router and hey presto 2.4 verson ....
                Steve...

                Outrage RC Field Rep


                Now enhanced with some more EGS's....

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                • #9
                  Steve

                  Don't you sleep!!!

                  What a great idea - not sure the ins and outs of wireless router vs Phoenix but I like your theory of using another receiver and "plugging" the Phoenix dongle into it, rather than taking the dongle apart.

                  I've PMd you!

                  All the best

                  Graham
                  Blade 400 / DX6i / Phoenix / Blade CX2 / mCX / MSR
                  Proud Owner of 2 Eddie Gold stars

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                  • #10
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by barney View Post
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                      Ditto.

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                      • #12
                        I hope to get phoenix for xmas and would love to get it wireless...

                        If i use a 35mhz radio and the earlier fix with a rx do i still get all the radio functions like the switches, mixes, hold etc??

                        Hows the 2.4g comin on?

                        Mike

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                        • #13
                          At last 2.4 Ghz

                          Just a little update..... Wireless phoenix goes 2.4.... Thanks to Matt Lodge for the push we now have an adaptor for Futaba square plugs that enables Phoenix to be wireless FF9,12FG,14Mz (the spektrum / JR will be later this week)

                          Ok its done using the signal from the trainer socket via Infra red and it works well to 12-15' but its got to be line of site to the reciver but its as good as wired....

                          The futaba has power on the trainer socket and the Spektrum / Jr dosent so a little adaptor that connects in with the battery is required.... JUst need to scource the connectors.

                          If there is enough intrest i may do a proper PCB for it. You need to modify the phoenix dongle as per the 35Mhz one to bring the 5V out to the infrared reciver but it just plugs in to your radio....

                          Its going on trial later this week with Matt.... We will post more soon.....
                          Steve...

                          Outrage RC Field Rep


                          Now enhanced with some more EGS's....

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                          • #14
                            Well very interested in wireless Are able to post details on parts needed, maybe circiut ?
                            Nice work, Thanks
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                            • #15
                              Thats simple.... IR led....IR reciver a PIC12F675 and couple of resistors and decoupling caps and a fet....

                              Steve
                              Steve...

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                              Now enhanced with some more EGS's....

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