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    Trawling through some old posts, I realised that a while back someone asked me to put up some pix of some of my old gear - and I completely forgot about it!

    Some of this has been posted before elsewhere, so apologies to those who've already seen it, but for the rest of you......

    1965 - My first reliable radio:



    This Graupner/Grundig Variophon/Varioton was a "bang-bang" system, each function requiring two channels. Left rudder was one channel, right was another, and so on. Unlike American "reed" sets which used a reed bank - something like the thing you find in music boxes - to separate the "tones", the Germans (Grundig and the similar Metz system) used electronic tuned filters. These could be bought separately in two channel modules. So you would get the basic receiver module (the red one), and then plug in channel modules, each module having two channels and controlling one function.

    The transmitter was also modular. Mine started out as a 4-channel (2-function) outfit with one stick. I later added the second stick unit and the module for an extra 4 channels. I only bought one extra receiver module though, and only ever used 6 channels (3 functions - rudder, elevator and throttle).

    The original receiver was a super-regen type (the small one separate in the photo), which only allowed one model in the air at a time. Later I bought the superhet receiver (larger red module in the stack) so that I could fly at the same time as my clubmates!

    The servos are two Bellamatic 2s (self centering for rudder and elevator) and a servo-auto-matic (non-centering, for throttle). All the servos had slipping clutches to prevent overloading the motors!

    The little grey modules on top of the receiver were to speed up centering. This was a relay receiver, and when in "neutral", the servo motors were shorted out. This made them very slow to return to neutral. The grey modules plugged in betwen the receiver and the servo and allowed you to adjust the centering speed!

    The receiver required a 5-cell nicad (6v) and there was a separate 2-cell nicad for the servos (2.4v). The transmitter ran off 12 volts.

    It was almost totally immune to outside interference, and being all electronic - unlike the American sets - any Grundig Tx would work any Grundig Rx without re-tuning! The American "reed" sets needed lots of fine tuning to achieve reliable operation, and a receiver would only work reliably when operated by its matched transmitter!

    1968 - The mighty Bonner Digimite:





    The radio actually dates from late '66, but I bought it second hand off another club member. I gave about £200 for it - probably the equivalent of over £2,000 today! Certainly enough to buy a very respectable second hand car!

    Each servo was the size of a packet of cigarettes, required 7 wires to connect it to the receiver, had a linear rack output and a thrust of 8 lbs! They came in two varieties - end fail-safe for the throttle, and center fail-safe for the aerodynamic controls! The servos were completely symmetrical, and reversing was achieved by removing a servo, turning it around, and replacing it!

    The receiver was the size of TWO packs of cigarettes strapped together, and required a 7 cell nicad to power it! Total airborne weight, about 28 ozs (just over 1 1/2 lbs)!

    Very reliable!

    I even flew a Kavan Jet Ranger and a Schluter Gazelle with this, though I did use an own design receiver and more modern servos! If you look at some of the old films I posted a while back, you'll see me flying with this transmitter!

    The Digimite was the first "mass-produced" digital proportional system. There had been earlier digital systems, but they were only produced in small numbers. Other proportional sets of the time were all analogue, and limited to 4 channels as a result. The Digimite was the system that broke the mold, and set the standard for all the other systems that followed.

    1971 - Sprengrbook 6 channel:



    This was probably the most reliable and highest regarded set of its era! It was designed by Doug Spreng, a former American National Champion, who was living in the UK for a while. Doug was credited with having invented the pulse-width tracking servo, and hence the modern digital radio system. The fact that we still use the 1 to 2 mS pulse at a 50 or 60 Hz frame rate that he invented back in the early 1960's gives you some idea of the genius of the man!

    The receiver used SCSs (Silicon Controlled Switches) as the decoder, and these were a bit temperature sensitive - they didn't like working below freezing! (No integrated circuits back then!) After one failed on me one freezing winters day, I bought a bag full of them from the local electronics shop, and spent a couple of days checking each receiver with a can of freezer spray, replacing SCSs until I ended up with 2 receivers that were happy in sub-zero temperatures!

    The earlier "grey" servos had discrete amplifiers, and required a center-tapped 4-cell nicad to operate. The later (red) servos used an early IC amp and no longer required a center tap. These were some of the first "3-wire" servos.

    Each servo had two linear rack outputs, working in opposite directions, and were mounted in black spring clips.

    I used this in my first heli - a Morley 2B - in 1974.

    And finally - a pair of Ace MicroPros from the early 90's:



    These are computer programmable PPM sets, with very nice metal open-gimbal sticks.

    Some of you may have seen the twin-stick one, as I often use it to fly the Lark. Its fitted with one of my home-brew 459 MHz Tx modules. The single-stick one has now been fitted out for 2.4 GHz, and is awaiting test flying!

    These transmitters have some unique features, that are more advanced than anything currently available from other manufacturers. For example, there is an "auto-trim" button that, when pressed, re-centres the sticks to the point at which they are currently being held! You can vary the "slew rate" at which it achieves this, and can read the values off on landing to make the settings permanent!

    The mechanical trims are "swapped" from the sticks - so the "ail" and "elev" channels are on the LH stick, and the "rudd" and "mot" trims are on the RH stick. This is so you don't have to take your hand off the stick whilst you adjust the relevant trims!

    They have 8 model memories and 12 available mixers, plus a serial link to connect to a PC for either more storage or to display or adjust all the settings!

    Sometimes, the old ones are best! (At least, that's what I keep telling the wife.....!)
    Pete

    No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

  • #2
    Thanks for taking the time. Fascinating stuff.
    Call me Matt

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    • #3
      Nice post pete. Pat Teakle has a fair bit of the early radio gear with escapements etc. Its very nostalgic on club nights when he used to bring it all along and give us an informative talk on it all
      Martin
      Aka RCSlopesurfer

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      • #4
        Yes, I started out with escapements as well! But they were never particularly reliable!

        A few years back I actually built a 35 MHz FM single channel system to drive some old escapements I had lying around! I even won a trophy for one off DB at Old Warden for being the only one present brave (stupid?) enough to be still flying one!

        There's a couple of guys at the moment building 2.4 GHz single channel simulators! They use modern 2.4 GHz transmitters and receivers built into period cases! They use modern servos, but the transmitter has a special encoder that turns button presses into escapement-like responses from the servo!

        Me? I just like doing things the proper (hard?) way!

        Pete

        No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

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        • #5
          £2,000 back in 65...now that was a lot of money to spend on a hobby back then. good post cheers
          Last edited by Adrian; 29-10-2010, 06:46 PM. Reason: wrong year





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          • #6
            Originally posted by Adrian View Post
            £2,000 back in 65...now that was a lot of money to spend on a hobby back then. good post cheers
            I think you've misunderstood me - it was £200 back then - probably the equivalent of about £2K in today's money!

            Brand new they were just shy of £300!
            Pete

            No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

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            • #7
              Originally posted by pchristy View Post
              I think you've misunderstood me - it was £200 back then - probably the equivalent of about £2K in today's money!

              Brand new they were just shy of £300!
              yep sorry i ment to say the equivalent £2,000 just on the tx back then





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              • #8
                thank you for taking the time to write that up Pete. an absolutely brilliant post im going back to read it again
                Ron

                hobby-hangar.co.uk
                SWRCH-GO big or Go home!
                http://www.ultimatebuildandfly.co.uk/

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                • #9
                  another thank you pete
                  very interesting
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                  • #10
                    Thankyou Pete.

                    Jason

                    Blade mCP-X | Align Trex 450 Sport
                    Align Trex 500 ESP 3G FBL | Align Trex 600 LE | and a few others...
                    JR X9303 2.4 Mode 1

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                    • #11
                      Wow.

                      Thanks for this. I thought the difference in size between my 35Mhz & 2.4Ghz receivers was amazing but looking at this kit...
                      mSR
                      120 SR
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                      • #12
                        Thanks for the memories Pete. I must find my Hanno Prettner Simprop and take a pic for this thread. Ah, how it was, would I change it - NOOOOOOO !!!

                        Maurice.

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                        • #13
                          I read the first post and thought "Hmm, that sounds familiar", then saw your name, Pete! How are things?

                          I remember your Variophon S back in those days - and the unbelievably heavy Graupner Consul in which you installed it! But it was your Grundig kit which prompted me to buy some as well. I found a secondhand Variophon / Varioton (the older 27.120 MHz fixed frequency model with super-regen receiver), advertised in the small ads section of RCM&E, plus green and orange tone filters and a couple of Bellamatic IIs. Then came a charger (my transmitter had the dreaded Sonnenschein accululators, but I managed to upgrade it to a 12v DEAC), wiring harness and DEACs and my set was at last complete. A bit of surgery on my Veron Robot followed and I finally had a serviceable rudder and elevator system - remember when we used to fly at Merryfield aerodrome? The Robot had started out with the McGregor Terrytone receiver you lent me, plus an Elmic 'Pushrod Commander' escapement and had been powered by a PAW 1.49 diesel, which I thought would be inadequate for the 4-ch conversion.

                          So the Robot was refitted with a PAW 19 BR (fortunately it had survived the Mercury Toreador crash on the school bottom fields when the 'up' line broke!). But that was a bit too much for me to cope with and even surprised you when you tested it on its first flight! We then put the prop on back to front which tamed it a bit. Also, without throttle control, knowing when the engine would stop was a bit of a gamble. So another plea to parents and piggy bank and I managed to obtain the 8-ch upgrade module for the Variophon Tx which was imported from Grundig in Germany - it was the last one they had left. They kindly stated 'model building accessories' on the customs sticker and misplaced the decimal point in the price, so I didn't have to pay any import duty. I also bought a secondhand blue tone filter and a Servoautomatic non-self centring servo. A couple of Bellamatic II 'Return Speed Regulators' were also added, to improve the self-centring response time.

                          A visit to your chum down in Devon to obtain an OS Max II .15R/C, more retrospective surgery to the Robot and I finally had rudder/elevator and throttle control. The Robot was easy to fly, but then my father moved abroad, I was at university and had nowhere to keep the aircraft any more - but thanks for storing it at your place in Torquay for me!

                          It became increasingly impossible for non-superhet 27MHz equipment to be usable, so eventually the old Grundig kit was disposed of. I then bought a Horizon HS3L system, for which I built a couple of models, the last one being a Graupner Chico fitted with an excellent OS 10 FSR R/C. By now I was flying in the RAF and moving around the country, so sold the Chico and the Horizon gear whilst I was at RAF Chivenor in 1980.

                          I don't have many aeromodelling items left now - except for a complete collection of Cox Tee Dee glow motors, all bar one of which are 'BNIB'! Tee Dee 010, 020, 049, 051, 05R/C, 09, 09R/C, Tee Dee 15 (the only one which has been run) and Special 15 Mk 2. I'm always on the look out for a BNIB Special 15 Mk1 and TeeDee 15. My other engines are the good old PAW19BR, a PAW 19R/C, a Cox Medallion 049 with 'throttle muffler' and a BNIB Cox Olympic 15.

                          Remember the old 'Simprop' competition for the first R/C helicopter to fly? I was talking about this to my god-daughter's elder brother a few days ago as we flew one of those 'toy' gyro-stabilised helicopters around his mother's dining room - much to her annoyance! Who would have thought back in the late 1960s when we watched Dave Bailey's terrifying device scaring us all witless (and frequently crashing in a shower of balsa) at Merryfield as he tried to get it to fly properly that the advances in R/C helicopters made over the following 45 years would have been possible!

                          One major advantage of having Grundig kit meant that our German improved rather more than Don Tyson's lessons managed to achieve!

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                          • #14
                            Interesting stuff and scary prices.

                            £300 in 1965 equivalent today: £4,330.00 using the retail price index £9,010.00 using the average earnings

                            No wonder I have only been into the hobby for the last 5 years.....

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                            • #15
                              Hi Nick! And what a pleasant surprise to find you here after all these years! It must be over 40 years since we last met up!

                              Yes, I've still got all my old gear, and am currently in the process of renovating it. Its all mostly working, but does need some "fettling" to get it fully operational!

                              I well remember your Veron "Robot", and had the privilige of meeting the designer, Phil Smith, a few years back. Sadly he died last year, and Veron are now but a memory!


                              We must meet up again soon. I've still got the same e-mail address (att), so please drop me a message!

                              Cheers,
                              Pete

                              No matter how much you push the envelope, it'll still be stationery.

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