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[fatboyrob]

i have both the 130x and the 150. the 130x had to be rebuilt with after market parts to make it fly ok. the 150 seems to be very fragile but flys loads better out the box. i slightly prefer the 150 at the moment because the tail holds better and has loads more power. i might change my mind when i crash it.

[mahbouni]

the 130x had to be rebuilt with after market parts to make it fly ok

Mine flies OK and is completely stock apart from metal tail pitch slider.

[Bhujang]

Whenever I crash my 130X the bearing pops out of the swash plate too. I think that's a good thing - saves other things from breaking and its easy to pop back in.

From all my crashes on the 130X never has that happened lol just goes to show not all micros are made the same uniqueness counts The 130X flies great from the box. It depends on the flyer I'm rubbish so got what I expected after a few crashes. Most pros never have an issue with the 130X as stock. But for us learners there are after market parts as well

[tomatwalden]

How do you mean? As has been pointed out many, many times whomever you made your purchase with is the purchaser's first port of call. A trading shop cannot shirk that responsibility no matter what they would like you to think to the contrary.

I think that Micro helis are a blessing and a curse. The blessing is the laugh they provide, and their ability to be almost real world sims. The curse is that, being so small, and being made to a budget - they are never the same quality as build it yourself kits. The nature of a heli - small parts, incredibly high RPMs, light structure for flight is different to so many other RC hobbies.

My point - micro helis will cause excessively high support calls - more than many resellers are geared up to cope with. Yes, the customer contract is with the reseller, but the reseller may start to consider their position if too many 150's come back for warranty repairs (how long is the warranty anyway?) Besides which, warranty doesn't cover crash damage to the best of my knowledge.

The Blade line of helis has been largely successful because of HH/UK support. Without that support - will there be an impact on 150 sales?

[jasoncook]

My 130,s flew best straight out of the box but I could feel them getting play and stop being precise after about 50 flights. They take a good beating and most of the time just pick um up and fly again. I am hoping the 150 would not have initial faults as they have had a long time to develop it.

[SaneAdam]

I have to say…. I do not think they help matters at all when they come with the roll rate pot set all the way down. The thing is totally uncontrollable…. I can see a few people spooling em up and getting caught out by how stupidly numb it is, then crashing into furniture and thinking it was broke from the off. Something for the inexperienced to watch out for anyway. I would start it at 12 o clock at least and move it up from there

Sounds like the overall fragility of some of the wiring may be to blame for some of the problems people are having. Although…. it sounds in some cases like they were just plain f%^$%d straight out of the box

[jasoncook]

If the failure caused the crash its still warranty issue. I kept getting 130,s replaced for the first 12 months as per uk sale of goods act. I have had bad experiences with some importers dodging warranty claims but can say HH is not one of them.

[Jez N]

I couldnt agree more with other peoples comments. My 130 and mcpx now sit in boxes unused because of my (and others) relentless quest for a micro heli that bounces like a balloon, but flies like a 700e.

I didnt fly any of my other models for the best part of the summer 2012 when the 130 came out. I just went and flew battery after battery on the best fun i have had since taking up this hobby.

Unfortunately i started reading the forums about various upgrades and soon after i lost interest in my 130 as everytime i went out and flew it i had to strip it down and start replacing parts and invariably then have to hunt down a serious vibe related issue.

For me the 130 (stock) is the best micro since it bounces (not quite like a balloon unfortunately) but can also allow mere mortals to practice 3D (which the mcpx just couldnt!)

[fatboyrob]

mine ok as well the biggest things to make a difference was the spin and the pitch slider but as i crashed i upgraded with better after market bits. the 130x still breaks its not bullet proof. with power comes more damage. i not selling my 130 just think the 150 is more capable but i also know it will be broke more than 130

[mahbouni]

From all my crashes on the 130X never has that happened lol just goes to show not all micros are made the same uniqueness counts The 130X flies great from the box. It depends on the flyer I'm rubbish so got what I expected after a few crashes. Most pros never have an issue with the 130X as stock. But for us learners there are after market parts as well

Actually it didn't pop out when I first got the heli but after several crashes it started popping out and I decided not to replace it for the reasons stated.

[mahbouni]

I think that Micro helis are a blessing and a curse. The blessing is the laugh they provide, and their ability to be almost real world sims. The curse is that, being so small, and being made to a budget - they are never the same quality as build it yourself kits. The nature of a heli - small parts, incredibly high RPMs, light structure for flight is different to so many other RC hobbies.

My point - micro helis will cause excessively high support calls - more than many resellers are geared up to cope with. Yes, the customer contract is with the reseller, but the reseller may start to consider their position if too many 150's come back for warranty repairs (how long is the warranty anyway?) Besides which, warranty doesn't cover crash damage to the best of my knowledge.

The Blade line of helis has been largely successful because of HH/UK support. Without that support - will there be an impact on 150 sales?

I think you hit the nail on the head. Some people expect too much from such a small heli. It is what it is and will never fly as good as say a 450. The benefit of micro helis is you can fly it like you stole it and not give a damn if you crash. In most cases i can pick it up and fly again but occasionally I have to spend some money to fix it. It's orders of magnitude cheaper than crashing my Logo XXtreme 700 though.

[r4nd0m]

I have to say…. I do not think they help matters at all when they come with the roll rate pot set all the way down. The thing is totally uncontrollable…. I can see a few people spooling em up and getting caught out by how stupidly numb it is, then crashing into furniture and thinking it was broke from the off. Something for the inexperienced to watch out for anyway. I would start it at 12 o clock at least and move it up from there

Sounds like the overall fragility of some of the wiring may be to blame for some of the problems people are having. Although…. it sounds in some cases like they were just plain f%^$%d straight out of the box

well it doesnt matter how it comes does it? you generally should check a model that everything works and is set as should - no matter the size or price ... bearing in mind the 150 runs close to 5000rpm ...

btw here are a few suggestions to new owners from the german forums:

- check main and tail motor wires, could become lose --> use some CA to fix them
- partially broken frame near main motor --> no solution yet, will be added later
- position of main motor wires (too close to motor) --> use zip tie or CA to secure them as they could be cut in a crash
- partially broken tail motor case --> possible secure the tail motor as if becomes lose will pull wires apart
- swashplate comes apart --> affix with some CA
- elevator arm hits tailboom case --> use a file to get clearance
- check landing gear pins for damage --> there were out of the box reports

• Kabel von Haupt- und Heckmotor könnte sich lösen => mit geeignetem Kleber fixieren
• Riss im Rahmen am Hauptmotor => Lösung / Folgen wohl noch offen
• Position der Servokabel (zu Nahe am Hauptmotor) => verlegen, könnten bei einem Crash durchtrennt werden
• Riss im Halter des Heckmotors => ggf. Motor festkleben, wenn er sich löst reißen auch die Kabel
• Taumelscheibe geht auseinander => mit Kleber fixieren
• Nickservoarm stößt an der Heckrohrhalterung an => mit Feile für Freigängigkeit sorgen
• Landegestell auf Bruch an den Pins prüfen (es gab schon mehrere Defekte out of the box)

[Nick B]

- check main and tail motor wires, could become lose --> use some CA to fix them
- partially broken frame near main motor --> no solution yet, will be added later
- position of main motor wires (too close to motor) --> use zip tie or CA to secure them as they could be cut in a crash
- partially broken tail motor case --> possible secure the tail motor as if becomes lose will pull wires apart
- swashplate comes apart --> affix with some CA
- elevator arm hits tailboom case --> use a file to get clearance
- check landing gear pins for damage --> there were out of the box reports

Wow,thats a lot of ****ing about.

Apart from skids and the odd canopy my mcpx bl has been good as gold,oh and one tail motor died....200 odd flights easy.

[SaneAdam]

well it doesnt matter how it comes does it? you generally should check a model that everything works and is set as should - no matter the size or price ... bearing in mind the 150 runs close to 5000rpm ...

It says in the manual to have the roll rate pot set to minimum for beginners….???? My point is with the roll pot at this setting, it is pretty uncontrollable. So this would be sticking to the set up and having everything correct….

I think you may have missed my point and then tried to educate me on how to approach setting up a model? Bear in mind it is a micro…. you put the settings in, check it over visually, bind it, then fly it. If it does not fly right, by all means get deep into it. But other than that i see no need for going ott over every nook and cranny and dark corners of the esc settings and pitch gauges.

I was actually just making a point that i feel bad for beginners attempting to fly this AS PER THE SETTINGS because i think it is very difficult to fly like that and i reckon a lot will crash on take off because the helicopter responds like a dead fossilised amoeba

[Boggy]

Why is everyone comparing the 150 to the 130x? surely its equivalent is an mcpx bl?