Loyalty

[ChrisB]

I envy you lot,surprisingly no matter how hard i try,i cannot get Mark Ryder to ban me,,whats your secret?

On the Phoenix issue,i cannot praise them enough,they have shown a level of customer service that puts most to shame..


Chris"Trying to get banned my RR"

[Rotorhead]

I dont think you have much to worry about, copy wise, under british law (since its a british company) and most other countries, you havnt bought the disk, you bought the licence to use the software on the disk, as such they cant charge you any more than the cost of a blank CD and postage.

Also there is nothing stopping you from downloading the software from a torrent, or someone burning a copy for you, since again, you have paid for the licence, so are entitled to use the software regardless of where it comes from.

Some software companies need to really learn to follow these laws IMO, for instance the game company UBi-soft, completely deny that this is the case, and that its your right to make a back up copy of software you have bought the licence to, and actively attempt to prevent people from using this right via invasive virus like and dangerous copy protection software (star force) which can really screw up some PCs.

The stupid thing is any copy protection measures, including star force, are broken within days, if not hours, when a new game comes out, and even if someone downloads it and plays it, it doesnt mean they would have gone out and bought it if they couldnt get a pirate copy, pretending that it is a lost sale is wishful thinking.

[robgt]

I think the law, as it currently stands, prevents you from copying the CD as we currently do not have a fair use policy (still...) in the UK.

That said - it's a stupid legal situation which actively harms UK consumers
Cheers,
Rob

[Rotorhead]

I think the law, as it currently stands, prevents you from copying the CD as we currently do not have a fair use policy (still...) in the UK.

Nope, we operate under the same principles as "fair use", otherwise the EULA that you get when you install software would be utterly meaningless and completely unenforcable.

[robgt]

I'm unsure of this as it's a total minefield as to what is and what is not covered.
I know for a fact that we don't have fair-use where music is concerned - perhaps software is treated differently though?

Whichever way it is - it sucks... currently.
Cheers,
Rob

[Guest]

I'm sorry but I'm I missing something here?

Versions from 1.02a to 1.05b are available to download from the Phoenix website + all new models
What's the fuss about the CD?
Just download and reinstall it
Where's the need or talk for 'Torrents' ???

[robgt]

They are all updates - you need the original installation to apply them to.

Cheers,
Rob

[Guest]

I'm sure I've used V1.02a (84MB) as base and updated the rest as I couldn't find my CD to reinstall after the 1.04 beta testing

[Made2Fade]

Cralis add me to MSN messenger (vestaxlee@hotmail.com) and ill sort ya out.
Lee

[robgt]

I don't know as I've not tried - just going by what the website says (required previous version...)

Perhaps it does work?
Cheers,
Rob

[Made2Fade]

Shouldnt do, its 566mb or summit on the retail cd. Sometimes people think they have uninstalled things when infact even after theres data still left on the harddisk.
Lee

[moyesboy]

when you get hold of a disc, put an iso file backup on your hard disc.
Do that with all your important CDs.

[Stuart]

IF you zip the disk it drops to 285mb.....don't ask me how I know

[Made2Fade]

lol... its ready waiting. Cant see a problem as long as he is using proper dongle and has original box etc or even a receipt.
Lee

[Ade_Law]

i doubt phoenix will worry about the odd copied CD as these will be used for honest means such as yourself. i dont know many places that will replaced lost stuff FOC sure if its damaged but not if its lost. I doubt they are making anything on the replacement they are simply covering costs.

however any information you have on pirate copies using dodgy dongles will of course be greatfully recieved.

Ade