Why not Apple?

[Disc]

directx isnt an issue really but the "dongle" driver is - there have been many attempts to "port" phoenix via wine for example all failed due to the fact that the interaction to the usb device was not in place and as there are no sources available those cant be emulated or forwarded properly

in regards of why they dont supply a mac version, as others did say already development costs and I think there is no necessity thanks to bootcamp, vmware and parallels - a simple excuse not to support a certain operating system ...

interestingly though there are projects that either support OSX already or that tend to support OSX in future - so its a question of the user really which sim he uses ... I know a few who are quite happy with the feature set other sims offer ...

Whine is newish for converting and can do the it well enough, and is what companies are looking at when converting to Mac, certianly cuts costs down!

intresting the dongle driver should be an issue after all plenty of other USB Flight sim dongles will work in native OSX example Aerofly one and theres a couple of others.

[r4nd0m]

Whine is newish for converting and can do the it well enough, and is what companies are looking at when converting to Mac, certianly cuts costs down!

intresting the dongle driver should be an issue after all plenty of other USB Flight sim dongles will work in native OSX example Aerofly one and theres a couple of others.

well most company dont really use wine they use Transgamings "cider" to port the existing windows app to OSX its similar but never code with more features embedded. the real issue is that the phoenix dongle needs to be identified by the OS first and then the appropriate driver handler needs to be forwarded to the emulation interface - if you have a native osx application you dont need a specific driver you just query the ports where you are awaiting certain information. the emulator wont do this, wine for example wont do any "plug and play" so you cant change certain hardware except there is a specific configuration that tells wine to look out for something ... dont want to go into further details but vmware and parallels for example just link the usb device to the emulation hardware device handler, something that wine at this stage cant ...

[Disc]

well most company dont really use wine they use Transgamings "cider" to port the existing windows app to OSX its similar but never code with more features embedded. the real issue is that the phoenix dongle needs to be identified by the OS first and then the appropriate driver handler needs to be forwarded to the emulation interface - if you have a native osx application you dont need a specific driver you just query the ports where you are awaiting certain information. the emulator wont do this, wine for example wont do any "plug and play" so you cant change certain hardware except there is a specific configuration that tells wine to look out for something ... dont want to go into further details but vmware and parallels for example just link the usb device to the emulation hardware device handler, something that wine at this stage cant ...

oh yea forgot about Cider

so what your saying is someone with some knowhow needs to sit down and write some code for the dongle

[jamiew12]

because they really can not be bothered

[bolders]

because they really can not be bothered

Im sure its not a case of they cant be bothered. Its a business decision where the maths does not add up when considering the resources required to port Phoenix and the expected return on that investment. If you want to use a mac then you need to take the good and bad. THe same as for any other computer platform.

[Gixxer]

Im sure its not a case of they cant be bothered. Its a business decision where the maths does not add up when considering the resources required to port Phoenix and the expected return on that investment. If you want to use a mac then you need to take the good and bad. THe same as for any other computer platform.

Exactly this... It will be a business decision based solely on projected financial returns, and if it was financially viable to port the software, I'm pretty sure it would have already been done... I doubt it's anything to do with the owners of Phoenix not liking Mac fanboys

[Campbell]

This sucks, I bought a netbook to run the sim on and after a few months the thing slowed down so much I stopped being able to use it.
Got a mac air with 4Gb ram - great I thought, loads of oomph for the Phoenix - nope doesn't work.
Tried using it via Wine - nope.
Don't want to use bootcamp - not happy.

[Mark_T]

Don't want to use bootcamp - not happy.

The solution is right there though, it will work fine with BootCamp, you don't even have to give it a very large partition.

[Campbell]

I'm going to have to shell out for a Windows installation disk now

[JoeBailey]

Just pick an OEM version up online, saves a fortune.
Besides windows runs better on a mac then a PC.

Joe

[Campbell]

I have a lot to learn on mac/pcs.

I have to google these things to actually understand what you're talking about.

[JoeBailey]

Windows OEM version is what gets supplied with a new PC from any manufacturer, It's exactly the same as normal windows in installation and use.
Microsoft Windows Home Premium 7 SP1 64-bit EN 1pk OEI OEM DVD (GFC-02050) - dabs.com
Half the price of the normal disk.

Joe

[dieselcarb]

This sucks, I bought a netbook to run the sim on and after a few months the thing slowed down so much I stopped being able to use it.
Got a mac air with 4Gb ram - great I thought, loads of oomph for the Phoenix - nope doesn't work.
Tried using it via Wine - nope.
Don't want to use bootcamp - not happy.

the problem with wine on mac machines is theyhave to have a windows compatable chipset cant think of the names of them but basicaly 1 of them used in mac system will only work mac. so wine will not work (if it does then not properly)

other thing u can try if you do have a system that will run windows, is to dl widows and have a duel boot system, and just reset windows when it sais trial is up

cheers terry

[Campbell]

I was thinking about this last night in bed (as I was drifting off), I am concerned about partitioning my mac drive as it is only 120Gb (mac air).
Would it work if I installed windows on an external drive and then booted the mac through the external unit?

As you can probably gather, my knowledge of computers is user only (I'm pretty good on word and excel ) and have never played with installation/set up stuff.
Your help would be appreciated.

John

[dieselcarb]

would nt know about the external but i would like to say hold fire b4 u try but u might be able just install windows and it will do partitions for you, but would hate if you lost all ya data and use of mac so find out 1st. but if some can clarify it will boot from external, then you got ya worry free solution