What flys like the real thing

[Streetluge Chris]

What flys like the real thing I had this for over a year Even putting the hours in i dont get much better.
There is some stuff i can do with the Avant invert etc its seems to fly realy well not that i know.
Carnt even do fig 8s with my raptor and i had that longer.
So what does fly the same in the sim?
I think I am missing somthing

[cupracing]

James would be the best person to answer this as he has probably owned most of them.

[robgt]

You have to consider that no two models (in the real world) will fly exactly the same. You can get them close, but seemingly never identical.
Then you look at a broad spectrum of peoples models and setups, and you see some wild variations in setups and flight characteristics.

With Phoenix models, you get one setup (or a few variations of it in some cases) - so the model has to try and be a good middle ground based on all the different setups out there in the real world. As you can imagine, it's a hard task to achieve, and is totally impossible to please everyone.

So while I might setup a model to fly pretty much exactly like my real Aurora, another Aurora pilot might think it was nothing like "the real thing".

The next step from there is to take a model you like flying on Phoenix and dig into the model editor to tweak the settings until you get something you think is like your real world model

I hope that helps!
Cheers,
Rob

[Si Goodchild]

I find the Raptor 50 much livelier on Phoenix than my my real one. More powerful too. The Avant is probably the most forgiving to fly on Phoenix (in my opinion) but is probably easier to fly than my Raptor inverted. I'll give you an opinion on the TREX 700 in a month's time

Si

[trillian]

The Raptor 30 seems to be pretty close in most ways but it's one of those things were several things happen in general;

1. The sim is more predictable in that unpredictable things don't seem to happen (if that makes any sense - I'm not talking about failures just the way a real heli will drift or react sometimes a bit more random)

2. They are often harder to hover accurately on the sim and yet don't accelarate quite the same as a real heli. So it seems harder to hover but a real heli will get out of control more quickly because it will accelarate faster in a given direction (IMHO).

[coptermanic]

..the Trex 600NP is much livelier on Phoenix too, I whack in about 30% EXPO!!!!!!

[Tom Burgess]

The Avant Aurora on Phoenix is the closest model I have flown. To me though the Normal head setup is more akin to the Active setup, but that is compared to my model, paddles and other things make a differece

[J-S-Q]

..the Trex 600NP is much livelier on Phoenix too, I whack in about 30% EXPO!!!!!!

I agree.

[Streetluge Chris]

What you can put expo in where ? and how?

[GravityKills]

I wouldn't worry about realism. Any heli will do. I'd recommend .90 size, no matter the size of your real heli.
If you have run out of ideas what to practise, start again from square one with hovering.
For example, turn on the F3C layout. It shouldn't be difficult to stay inside the flags (if yes, practise). Hover at all angles.
Practise hovered figure 8s and circles where you want them, not where the heli wants to go.
Flying any move in a controlled manner (say, a loop) is much harder than just flying it anywhere, "where it happens to be". I'd tend to say, it's 10..100x more difficult and accordingly takes time to practise.
That's also what your UK "A" and "B" certs are about, the moves are very basic but you have to be in control. Practise that on the sim.

PS if you can fly only heli type "A" but not heli type "B", there is something wrong. It's like, "I can drive only Ford but not Fiat". This doesn't make sense, except for an absolute beginner.

[coptermanic]

What you can put expo in where ? and how?

Get Phoenix up and running, then make the following selections:

Model ; Edit ; Fine Tuning

About 2/3 way down, there are sliders to adjust your control EXPO

[Nick B]

What flys like the real thing I had this for over a year

What you can put expo in where ? and how?

Is this a wind up?

[Streetluge Chris]

I wouldn't worry about realism. Any heli will do. I'd recommend .90 size, no matter the size of your real heli.
If you have run out of ideas what to practise, start again from square one with hovering.
For example, turn on the F3C layout. It shouldn't be difficult to stay inside the flags (if yes, practise). Hover at all angles.
Practise hovered figure 8s and circles where you want them, not where the heli wants to go.
Flying any move in a controlled manner (say, a loop) is much harder than just flying it anywhere, "where it happens to be". I'd tend to say, it's 10..100x more difficult and accordingly takes time to practise.
That's also what your UK "A" and "B" certs are about, the moves are very basic but you have to be in control. Practise that on the sim.

PS if you can fly only heli type "A" but not heli type "B", there is something wrong. It's like, "I can drive only Ford but not Fiat". This doesn't make sense, except for an absolute beginner.

I am bit thick. I did not think to mess with the settings I tried the expo could not tell any differance.
As for above I will give it a go as i do tend to let the heli go and just do loops and rolls etc .Like you say thats the easy bit.