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    What flys like the real thing I had this for over a year Even putting the hours in i dont get much better.
    There is some stuff i can do with the Avant invert etc its seems to fly realy well not that i know.
    Carnt even do fig 8s with my raptor and i had that longer.
    So what does fly the same in the sim?
    I think I am missing somthing
    Raptor 30v2
    Skya 500 x 2 one to be Scale Bo 105
    Copter X450 x 2
    Trex 250 x 2
    Mcpx
    Raven wing.
    Suhkoi
    Anx Floater
    Radjet 800


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  • #2
    James would be the best person to answer this as he has probably owned most of them.
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    • #3
      You have to consider that no two models (in the real world) will fly exactly the same. You can get them close, but seemingly never identical.
      Then you look at a broad spectrum of peoples models and setups, and you see some wild variations in setups and flight characteristics.

      With Phoenix models, you get one setup (or a few variations of it in some cases) - so the model has to try and be a good middle ground based on all the different setups out there in the real world. As you can imagine, it's a hard task to achieve, and is totally impossible to please everyone.

      So while I might setup a model to fly pretty much exactly like my real Aurora, another Aurora pilot might think it was nothing like "the real thing".

      The next step from there is to take a model you like flying on Phoenix and dig into the model editor to tweak the settings until you get something you think is like your real world model

      I hope that helps!
      Cheers,
      Rob
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      • #4
        I find the Raptor 50 much livelier on Phoenix than my my real one. More powerful too. The Avant is probably the most forgiving to fly on Phoenix (in my opinion) but is probably easier to fly than my Raptor inverted. I'll give you an opinion on the TREX 700 in a month's time

        Si
        Raptor 90 SE FBL e-conversion, Raptor E720, Raptor E820, Synergy E7, Goblin 700 & TREX 700N

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        • #5
          The Raptor 30 seems to be pretty close in most ways but it's one of those things were several things happen in general;

          1. The sim is more predictable in that unpredictable things don't seem to happen (if that makes any sense - I'm not talking about failures just the way a real heli will drift or react sometimes a bit more random)

          2. They are often harder to hover accurately on the sim and yet don't accelarate quite the same as a real heli. So it seems harder to hover but a real heli will get out of control more quickly because it will accelarate faster in a given direction (IMHO).
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          • #6
            ..the Trex 600NP is much livelier on Phoenix too, I whack in about 30% EXPO!!!!!!
            Mike
            TRex 600NSP, OS55, MicroBeast
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            • #7
              The Avant Aurora on Phoenix is the closest model I have flown. To me though the Normal head setup is more akin to the Active setup, but that is compared to my model, paddles and other things make a differece
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              • #8
                Originally posted by coptermanic View Post
                ..the Trex 600NP is much livelier on Phoenix too, I whack in about 30% EXPO!!!!!!
                I agree.

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                • #9
                  What you can put expo in where ? and how?
                  Raptor 30v2
                  Skya 500 x 2 one to be Scale Bo 105
                  Copter X450 x 2
                  Trex 250 x 2
                  Mcpx
                  Raven wing.
                  Suhkoi
                  Anx Floater
                  Radjet 800


                  DX7
                  Phoenix v4

                  Proud to be member of SCHA

                  Log Cabin for Hire in Snowdon.


                  http://www.youtube.com/user/streetlu...s?feature=mhee

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                  • #10
                    I wouldn't worry about realism. Any heli will do. I'd recommend .90 size, no matter the size of your real heli.
                    If you have run out of ideas what to practise, start again from square one with hovering.
                    For example, turn on the F3C layout. It shouldn't be difficult to stay inside the flags (if yes, practise). Hover at all angles.
                    Practise hovered figure 8s and circles where you want them, not where the heli wants to go.
                    Flying any move in a controlled manner (say, a loop) is much harder than just flying it anywhere, "where it happens to be". I'd tend to say, it's 10..100x more difficult and accordingly takes time to practise.
                    That's also what your UK "A" and "B" certs are about, the moves are very basic but you have to be in control. Practise that on the sim.

                    PS if you can fly only heli type "A" but not heli type "B", there is something wrong. It's like, "I can drive only Ford but not Fiat". This doesn't make sense, except for an absolute beginner.
                    Last edited by GravityKills; 05-02-2010, 09:09 AM.
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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by Streetluge Chris View Post
                      What you can put expo in where ? and how?
                      Get Phoenix up and running, then make the following selections:

                      Model ; Edit ; Fine Tuning

                      About 2/3 way down, there are sliders to adjust your control EXPO
                      Mike
                      TRex 600NSP, OS55, MicroBeast
                      TRex 500ESP
                      TRex 450Sport,TT, Scorpion 2221/8,
                      Futaba 14SG Optifuel 20%
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                      • #12
                        What flys like the real thing I had this for over a year
                        What you can put expo in where ? and how?
                        Is this a wind up?
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by GravityKills View Post
                          I wouldn't worry about realism. Any heli will do. I'd recommend .90 size, no matter the size of your real heli.
                          If you have run out of ideas what to practise, start again from square one with hovering.
                          For example, turn on the F3C layout. It shouldn't be difficult to stay inside the flags (if yes, practise). Hover at all angles.
                          Practise hovered figure 8s and circles where you want them, not where the heli wants to go.
                          Flying any move in a controlled manner (say, a loop) is much harder than just flying it anywhere, "where it happens to be". I'd tend to say, it's 10..100x more difficult and accordingly takes time to practise.
                          That's also what your UK "A" and "B" certs are about, the moves are very basic but you have to be in control. Practise that on the sim.

                          PS if you can fly only heli type "A" but not heli type "B", there is something wrong. It's like, "I can drive only Ford but not Fiat". This doesn't make sense, except for an absolute beginner.
                          I am bit thick. I did not think to mess with the settings I tried the expo could not tell any differance.
                          As for above I will give it a go as i do tend to let the heli go and just do loops and rolls etc .Like you say thats the easy bit.
                          Raptor 30v2
                          Skya 500 x 2 one to be Scale Bo 105
                          Copter X450 x 2
                          Trex 250 x 2
                          Mcpx
                          Raven wing.
                          Suhkoi
                          Anx Floater
                          Radjet 800


                          DX7
                          Phoenix v4

                          Proud to be member of SCHA

                          Log Cabin for Hire in Snowdon.


                          http://www.youtube.com/user/streetlu...s?feature=mhee

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