is 2.0n better than 1.05j?

[moyesboy]

I installed the new version last night and I've now run it for a fair bit. I thought it was OK at first but now I'm a lot less impressed.

New models and sceneries are all eye candy and I'm not rwally bothered about that becuase it now seems the dynamics are now all a bit strange and the models don't fly as real as before. Now the helis fly a bit too easy - I'm not crashing as often as I should. The helis collective is unrealistic, over responsive, and it seems unboggable. I tried lowering the power and increasing the weight but can't get it realistic - it will still change direction faster than is physically possible when the blades are dead slow!
Did they stop listening to pilots or what?

I am having real trouble getting display settings that are not jerky. It was fine on the previous version. If I could get it to move smoothly I might be able to tolerate the keep ground in view setting which might actually be a good idea but is currently intolerable.
I run XP SP3, Athlon64 3500 Nvidia Geforce 6600GT with 1Gb of ram

Pity I can't have both installations working to compare...
I'm going back to 1.05j I reckon to see if my recollections are true.

So what do you guys think? Have they dropped the ball on this one? I really think they have.
I have never run the other sims (bar FMS) so I cannot say if it is better or worse than Reflex etc.
The poleis for phoenix users only to comment

[Adder]

No idea n version doesn't even work here Great job keep up at good work!

[Aidi]

You can have both versions running together. Before you uninstall the 2.0xx version, make a copy of the entire folder and rename it to something other than phoenix and put it safe. Uninstall and the original folder will go. Re-install 1.05xx. Once done, you can then fire up which ever version you want by click on the on the .exe file in either the 1.05xx or the 2.0xx

I try the new ones as they are released, but find myself going back to 1.05j as it just seems better to me.

Rgds
Aidi

[Boggy]

i like the lighting better on 2.0 the heli dosen't blur into a black dot so quickly there seems better contrast.
im not good enough a pilot to know how close the dynamics really,are but i do know in real life mine head for the deck much quicker!!! if i could fly like this at the field my d!£k would be hitting my knee's when i walk!
im running similar spec's to you gordon ecxept a 7600gt and 2gig ram and mine runs smoothly on the highest settings.( i dont think there is much between our cards but maybe you would benefit from another gig of ram if you can get it in)

online is a different matter no matter what i try i just cant get into sessions! ive opened the ports on my pc and router(bt home hub) disabled antivirus and firewall but still cant get on, i can host but nobody can join.

so in the pole i voted dont know cos at the moment tbh im undecided

[moyesboy]

I can host sessions and join sessions in 1.05j and the latest version. You just need very few folks on the session and the host to have a blindingly fast connection (unlike mine).

[J3DI]

I have problems with the BT Homehub too and so far i haven't been able to join a session with the V2 Phoenix. It's running ok on minimum graphics settings on my AMD Sempron laptop at work!

[Rob O]

Im running similar to Ron ie 7600 2 Gig of Ram and a Dual core Processor , not to sure of Rons processor mines a 3.00 Gig Dual core . I can run everything at the highest settings no problem , but im unsure as to wether this version is better than 105j . To be honest it seems like pheonix is more like Realflight where as before i thought it was much more realistic . I hope they are not just going for pretty graphics as i think Realflight did at first . That just wont work , as i think RF did in the beginning . Realflight now is a good Sim and if Pheonix are not careful they will lose a lot of custom . I am seriously thinking about upgrading to R.F 4.5 , at the moment just on the fence . Rob

[Toolman]

I am not sure which is better, to me the smaller helis 50 size seem to fly quite realistic now, the Tre600N seem on the money.

As for the 90 size they seem to be way over top. I have never flown a 90 for real but I just can’t imagine they are sooo different to 50s! They feel like they have hardly any weight at all.

Tim.

[Tim Procter]

I have never flown a 90 for real but I just can’t imagine they are sooo different to 50s! They feel like they have hardly any weight at all.

Tim.

I have a 700 and other than a minor tweak it fly's very much the same.




As for Phoenix.

The latest version is really nice but connecting to a session is a pain in the arse.

How long has this gone on now. FAR TOO LONG.

[Boggy]

Im running similar to Ron ie 7600 2 Gig of Ram and a Dual core Processor , not to sure of Rons processor mines a 3.00 Gig Dual core . . Rob

mine is the same rob athlon 3400+ compaq pesario

[Toolman]

I have a 700 and other than a minor tweak it fly's very much the same.

Bloody Hell, then I'm getting one!

Tim.

[trebor27]

Anyone got their TX GOV mode working with the new Phoenix yet? I'm just installign it now.... I asked for this about 3 weeks ago and I noticed it's mentioned in teh release notes for 2.00n!

[trebor27]

Yay! The Gov kinda works! Shame the gyro gain doesn't give tail wag when too high...
But you can change from rate -> HH mode when you set it up! Plus run the gov at various levels, so I have my trex600 set to 1800 rpm and 2000 rpm head speeds.... (In the sim)

[barney]

My current thoughts on 2.0n are...

I cant really call anything really bad as its still a great product.

Model wise, It needs a fair bit of tweaking to bring back some realism!. TBH its been to just to easy for quite some time including 1.05j.

The models fly way to well. It needs turbulence and control impurities added. For example hover the 600N and it just sits and sits...flip her over and it hovers inverted and you dont need to touch the Pitch and it retains a constant height indefntly.

The tail is the same..It will retain its heading. Rock the model side to side, fly back and forth then park it again it just sits and sits. Even with the main rotor stability down at 90% the Pitch is still as above..didn't bother to check the tail but likely only effects the cyclic stability.

There is no looseness, whippyness at all in the tail system even when taken to stupid extremes its all just to perfect.

Just to add where not talking about a simplistic fix here like adding wind here but a combination of control interaction/turbulence/vortex effects not just in the hover but also whilst the model is in flight.

Pitch reaction. The climb rate on the models generally is fine but the initial control movement is too sluggish including cyclic. Switch vertical Sync off and its everything is way out again with ballistic performance in comparision.

G4.5 in comparision has a menu option whereby you select beginner/intermediate/expert which automatically sets the above levels + you can then tweak the other usual settings.

Phoenix, Still love the quality graphics, smart models and the water effects are very very good. Easy to use interface and quick setup sliders etc.

Online stability is still lacking.

I do think it would be benifit the Phoenix team to spend some time on G4.5 to experience this first hand as that feel is a lot truer to life IMHO. I'm not saying it makes it easier to learn on, just more realistic..for Raptorheli2 yes it does crack fly a little better.

I think going back to 1.05J is pointless TBH. The capability is there in Phoenix it just needs to be implimented and I would like to think we will see a steadly improving product in the next few updates

Brian

[moyesboy]

when they started they go some of the sponsored pilots to tune their particular models and it really shows that they haven't recently bothered with that. Probably the sponsored pilots are too expensive, they are a terribly mercinary lot.
what is the point of having a particular model in the list if it doesn't fly anything like. If it isn't a model you actually have then how can you make it realistic?

We can put things right to a great degree by posting out settings for the variatswe have created that we think are like our own models. Is there a way we can send these settings to each other or post a file that can be downloaded into phoenix?

Yuo could always have the rate/HH working on the gyro, it was just very dififcult to setup the TX as it needed a mid point on channel 5 during the calibration before.