Phoenix Version 2 !!!!!:)

[choppertastic]

Hi All

Looks like a completely revamped version of Phoenix is on its way...


http://www.phoenix-sim.com/news.htm

Any support for native mac......

[Ashley Davis]

the site says it's an update....no mention of paying for it at this point.

[Smoothound]

the site says it's an update....no mention of paying for it at this point.

My figers are crossed but it's going to happen sooner or later

[scallybert]

Once the beta goes Golden Master

I feel I ought have a clue what Golden Master means...

The principle (below) sounds easy enough, but the devil is in the detail and making it work for customers.

you buy a new dongle to be able to use the finalised product. New users pay full price, current users get a new dongle at a discounted rate.

The first problem is how can you tell who is an exisiting customer?

The only sure way seems to swap old dongle for new.

The new dongle will have different firmware so it will only work with the new version. Yes you will have 2 versions but 1 will be old and have a dongle and one will be new with a dongle. It could even be a dongle for the dongle to stop you selling your old copy. It's not that hard to do

If they don't do old for new, nothing obvious stops someone selling on the old dongle to someone who in turn upgrades it, etc.

OTOH, IMO, having to send back the old dongle would be a PITA. You have to send it registered, and then you're without the SIM for the time it's being turned around.

Hence my feeling that a 'paid for' upgrade is hard to do right. It will either be a PITA, or full of holes that unscruplous people will exploit.

[moyesboy]

Surely it depends how intelligent the dongle is.
The dongle might be serialised.
I can't remember if you register via the net or not when you install it. Perhaps not in which case the dongle has no serial.
Of course the dongle could have a serial that they haven't made use of yet in which case they could introduce a new version that did require internet activation and would register your dongle with their database and activate your new version. They could make it a free upgrade for a certain time, and then make it paid for if you hadn't upgraded by a certain date.
However there is no need to make it paid for if their sales are still good. The upgrade should boost their sales further (vs other sims) and perhaps they could bump up the retail for new boxes a little too.
When we see a paid for update it will mean their sales have plateauxed.

(I reckon it would be an oversight not to have some sort of accessible date of manufacture/batch, version or serial number in the dongles. hey maybe they tried but they are all set to 0000000000000 when you plug and unplug your tx )

[Dashik]

I think your all sweating over nothing! First of all the website states its a public Beta, that means we test it for them for free. They get to test and sort bugs without paying beta testers. This can sometimes be a mutually benificial thing

Also it looks more like an update as opposed to an upgrade and I think it will be free to existing owners and future purchasers alike. If you already have v1.XXX then download the update to v2.XXX.

If you buy new you get the newext version at time of DVD mastering and then we all update program as normal.

My 2p.

[jiberjaber]

I agree Dash....

Now what would have been cool would have been localised weather like on M$ Flight Simulator

[Dashik]

I agree Dash....

Now what would have been cool would have been localised weather like on M$ Flight Simulator

Are you mad? Its allways blowing a gale or ****ing down

[jiberjaber]

LOL yes, but it would be nice for the wind to come from the right direction at the same speed every now and again

[heliTV]

Good News !!!!

I e-mailed Phoenix support and asked a few questions. Here's the questions and responses :-

Q:When will it be available?
A:This update is currently undergoing final internal testing, and will hopefully be released in public BETA within 2/3 weeks.

Q:Will it be a free upgrade?
A:As with all previous updates, this will be available for free download from our website for existing customers.

Q:Will the beta be a public version and will it interfere with the original Phoenix installation?
A:This is not a standalone product, and must be installed over a previous Phoenix CD-ROM installation.

So, pretty good news all round then!

[HiroboFreak]

AWESOME!!

Can't wait!

[163phil]

AWESOME!!

Can't wait!

Me too

Welcome back HiroboFreak - not seen you on here for a while. Hope things are good Down Under. Weather's got to be better than here