Looking for opinions between Heli-x and Phoenix

[treff]

I would like some opinion on two flight simulators if I can get it. I have used a free version of heli-x for
some time but I am thinking of buying Phoenix. I had a quick go on the Phoenix flight sim this week and
to be honest I did not think it was as good has Heli-x for the actual feel of an rc heli flight. I know there
are a lot of bells and whistles on the Phoenix but to me the dynamics of the flight seemed to be a little off
compared to the Heli-x but I have only had a few minutes so can not really compare. I would appreciate any thoughts.
Thanks in advance.

[MarkG_R1]

I've been on Phoenix for probably nearly two years but just made the jump to realflight 7

Glad I did

Worth the extra in my opinion

[treff]

Thanks MarkG_R1 for the input. Unfortunately realflight 7 a bit to expensive for me at this time. Cheers

[Raving Jim]

+1 on Realflight 7 , was worth the money

[Smudgyboy]

Have a look at this Aerobatics - Top Secret?

I use it on my iMac works on PC as well. also use Heli-x but I prefer neXt - CGM rc Heli Flight Sim

[Ade_Law]

Not tried rf have heard its better.

Phoenix has some pretty big holes in its physics.

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[Johnny B]

Not tried rf have heard its better.

Phoenix has some pretty big holes in its physics.

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Think you should provide data with a statement like that

[Gixxer]

Comparing one sim to another is like comparing Ridge racer to Need for speed... They're both just games and at the end of the day, none of them are true simulators. The best you can hope to achieve from any of them is to train your muscle memory.

I've tried Phoenix, Realflight and Heli-X, and although Phoenix probably has the worst physics of the three, it's the one I still use... Why? Because it's the cheapest, it has free updates and there's a large community online.

Go with whichever one you like best, because none of them are anything like the real thing.

[yuppyflyer]

I had Phoenix for many years and it was a good learning tool, but got into a rut with it. Bought RF7 at the beginning of this year and it has already helped me move on. There are so many new model options coming out for RF all the time and although a lot of the features are game like, when you just need a change they are fun and re-kindle your interest.

It is expensive, but worth it if you buy dongle only during one of the sales.

[rchelijc]

Starting on realflight 5 and now on 6.5, I once went in to a stop to try out phoenix. Forget about it sure it'll help you train muscle memory. But something just isn't right... On RF it's still the closest I get to real flying

[waveydavey]

My thumbs must be dead and my brain mush. I've used Phoenix for years and I just can't link it to the real thing. It feels synthetic, it looks synthetic, oh it is synthetic. I've tried realflight but it flys even more weird than Phoenix, at least it does for me.

i use it almost daily for 20 minutes practice but I then take it to the field, I wouldn't have cracked a lot of moves if it weren't for the sim, but it defo doesn't fly like anything real I've flown

[treff]

Thanks to all for the very valued opinions, most appreciated. More confused than ever LOL. Old fart here so I will probably think about this until next Winter LOL and then decided
to get nothing at all. It seems stick time is the best way if not the most expensive way to go. Still it would be nice to have something on this Winter days. Thanks again. Cheers

[Ade_Law]

Think you should provide data with a statement like that

translational lift is wrong, and fudged in such a way that small changes in attitude create excessive changes in altitude this makes even basic moves like slow figure 8s feel weird especially if you put a little wind on.

the way the drag works is wrong. the model falls nose down at the same speed as it does in FFF at full collective and the way the model accelerates to this max speed is miles out too.

then if you do a full collective circle it goes faster than it does in a free fall or straight line.

these are examples are extreme as they show the flaws in their full effect. however they will also effect how the model responds through most of the flight envelope. If you take the above info and put it into a reasonably large loop it will effect all the important segments.

any questions feel free to ask away.




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[jimmyhorns]

Have a look at this Aerobatics - Top Secret?

I use it on my iMac works on PC as well. also use Heli-x but I prefer neXt - CGM rc Heli Flight Sim

Now this looks promising....

I have just had a go, and instantly it feels a little more real than pheonix...

Such a pity they limit it to 2 minutes on the demo, as you cant really get a feel for something in such a short time.

[Johnny B]

translational lift is wrong, and fudged in such a way that small changes in attitude create excessive changes in altitude this makes even basic moves like slow figure 8s feel weird especially if you put a little wind on.

the way the drag works is wrong. the model falls nose down at the same speed as it does in FFF at full collective and the way the model accelerates to this max speed is miles out too.

then if you do a full collective circle it goes faster than it does in a free fall or straight line.

these are examples are extreme as they show the flaws in their full effect. however they will also effect how the model responds through most of the flight envelope. If you take the above info and put it into a reasonably large loop it will effect all the important segments.

any questions feel free to ask away.




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Out of interest Ade what would you expect the difference in speed to be between FFF and nose down free fall.
I just had a play with Phoenix and had FFF of about 38 m/s and about the same or slightly less for the nose down free fall as you suggested and up to 47 m/s for horizontal free fall and up to 55 m/s for powered descent.