New SIM coming

[ChrisB]

Ps3,ps4,Xbox?

Now that would interest me.known hardware,no config or performance issues,and something not done before.

[Bob H]

Wrong in pretty much every respect.

"it has to go through Apple first so their programmers can go through your code"
Really?? You don't submit source code.

"And they'll charge you an arm and both legs for the service and continuing charges for 'support and licensing' of your code."
You really don't know what you are talking about... Do you know how much they charge for the dev program?? Thought not. It's $99/year.
From my dev info...


"It makes niche products such as flight-sims prohibitively expensive to develop and publish without going anywhere near the issue of being forced to trust that Apple won't do anything underhanded with your Intellectual Property"
Apple have better things to do. If there's one company I'd trust with my software product it's Apple - unlike Microsoft or Google...

You don't have to go through Apple at all. You can download xCode for free, and publish and sell your efforts anywhere you like.



Spot on. It's cheaper to dev on the Mac than any other platform. Xcode is free, and the dev program is as low as $99/year.
And Apple will bend over backwards to help you, unlike a few other big boys I can think of.

It's a shame this sim won't be available on Mac - it's the developers loss...

I stand corrected. Thank you

[maddog7]

Side one of coin: it's absolutely barking mad if this sim has not been developed for Mac ( assuming it's as straightforward/inexpensive as the info here would suggest)
Side two of coin: if you've spent a grand (at least, in many cases more) on a Mac plus the probable 200 quid for the sim and you own 2k's worth (again, in many cases MUCH more) of toy heli stuff, what's another 75 quid for a copy of windows?

[SaneAdam]

Ben, I'd say you should open a new thread for the actual sim when you are allowed to share actual facts - at this stage everything is speculative only as no information has actually been shared except a teaser video - so I would think its perfectly fine to keep any discussion that has started on this one ...

But then he wouldn't have been able to tell us about his non disclosure agreement would he? lol

[maddog7]

On a completely different note, I love the fact that it's modelled at a component level, dunno what difference it'll make but it's very cool!
its a bit of a concern what level of hardware might be needed to run it though.

[mahbouni]

I think it's really cool to be able to model the heli at a component level but it's only useful if the finished heli flies similar to a real one with the same components. If there is a 1 to 1 mapping of every single component that produces similar results then it will be the most revolutionary simulator ever developed.

[r4nd0m]

Side one of coin: it's absolutely barking mad if this sim has not been developed for Mac ( assuming it's as straightforward/inexpensive as the info here would suggest)

it is indeed, hence why a lot of developers these days, choose to go down this route - single code, with optimisation for various platforms - cross compilation in the past was a bit of a pain though - now this is a different story ..

Side two of coin: if you've spent a grand (at least, in many cases more) on a Mac plus the probable 200 quid for the sim and you own 2k's worth (again, in many cases MUCH more) of toy heli stuff, what's another 75 quid for a copy of windows?

you mean compared to the 60gbp for the sim that natively runs on a Mac? well you judge yourself ...

But then he wouldn't have been able to tell us about his non disclosure agreement would he? lol

thats why I said, keep the rumor mill threat like this, to even discuss offtopic and once there are actual news and facts to be shared, have a dedicated one

I think it's really cool to be able to model the heli at a component level but it's only useful if the finished heli flies similar to a real one with the same components. If there is a 1 to 1 mapping of every single component that produces similar results then it will be the most revolutionary simulator ever developed.

and you hope, development hasnt lost itself in detail but is able to do all the required maths so its not only optical but realistic - to be seen

[Jamin_00]

Do you know how hard it has been to keep this quiet lol.

When we (all the beta guys) were told it was being announced that was it lol. Open the flood gates and all of them have posted somewhere about because it is unlike any other.

[milly0812]

Oh I hope not lol


http://youtu.be/9vQaVIoEjOM

[tomatwalden]

... what's another 75 quid for a copy of windows?

£110 is a fair old chunk in my book ... MICROSOFT Windows 8.1 Deals | Pcworld

[mahbouni]

and you hope, development hasnt lost itself in detail but is able to do all the required maths so its not only optical but realistic - to be seen

Yes we hope. Actually the physics in RealFlight is pretty good but you have to spend time tweaking the models. It fails on the ease of setup. Oh and on the sound too. Why do all the current sims have such awful sound?

Another point. Using a sim as tool and not a game takes discipline. Not everyone gets along with a sim, no matter how good it is. Some people just don't mentally bridge between the screen and the real world.

[Angelos]

Side one of coin: it's absolutely barking mad if this sim has not been developed for Mac ( assuming it's as straightforward/inexpensive as the info here would suggest)
Side two of coin: if you've spent a grand (at least, in many cases more) on a Mac plus the probable 200 quid for the sim and you own 2k's worth (again, in many cases MUCH more) of toy heli stuff, what's another 75 quid for a copy of windows?

I use a dual boot Mac at home. Whilst I like OSX I also appreciate the need to use Windows. But I have seen a fair few hard core OSX users that totally resent using Windows always with the argument "Why do I have to buy Windows for just that one thing". The reality is that there are lots of "just one things" that you can't run on a Mac but they look at them one at the time rather that seeing the big picture of how many times they had to use that argument. The easiest thing is to just accept it, buy a Windows license and move on.

£110 is a fair old chunk in my book ... MICROSOFT Windows 8.1 Deals | Pcworld

There is no point getting a regular license for a Mac as its core hardware will remain unaltered. The OEM license is locked on one computer only and it is cheaper. I have seen it as low as the £75 mentioned. Microsoft Windows 8 Standard 64 bit OEM, WN7-00403, English Version: Amazon.co.uk: Software

Unless you are into upgrading your computer motherboard/CPU regularly it makes no sense buying a regular license anyway as you'd still need to pay £80-odd for the next Widnows upgrade. May as well buy a new OEM license when the time comes.

-Angelos

[tomatwalden]

Yes we hope. Actually the physics in RealFlight is pretty good but you have to spend time tweaking the models. It fails on the ease of setup. Oh and on the sound too. Why do all the current sims have such awful sound?

RealFlight certainly seems to be better at least on this point. Certainly the Agile 7.2 from the Knife Edge swap pages has a fairly realistic sound to it. Also, the "Gronimod" Goblins seem to have the tweaking done already and fly really nicely. The Gronimod 700 and 630 are pretty much the only helis I fly on the sim now ...

Gronimod - Goblin 700

[p4ddy]

Just get yourselves a proper PC, job done, Simples

[Jez N]

Ultimately the developers will have given due consideration to a Mac version. If they choose to make one, then great for those of you who want it. If they choose not to, then it will be for the reason that it is not commercially safe/viable to invest in developing the software for both systems.

Gaming on Mac is niche (proper gaming, not apps!) - end of. I appreciate that there are more Macs these days and fewer PC's are sold today than in 2004. But ultimately it is what these systems are put to use doing that counts. If all Macs are bought by middle aged BMW/Audi driving men in polo shirts who want something that looks the business, then that's possibly not the demographic that are going to play computer games, nor fly toy helicopters. They play golf and drink pink champagne! I don't know the reasons, but I'm sure that the people developing this rc sim have looked at the target population and worked out whether it is best to make it on PC, Mac or both. I guess we just have to wait and find out!

However, what i do know, is that when i recently bought a new computer, I thought long and hard about the shiny Mac and in the end went PC, for the very reason that I can't use all the software I want to use on a Mac!