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    Just this morning had a 'debate' with about 10 women around a coffee table in our office which went something like this.

    One of them said, "My partner ran out of petrol the other day in the car and it messed up the engine because of all the cr@p that got sucked up from the bottom of the tank." Everyone else in the room nodded and said something along the lines of, "Yeah, that always happens."

    I stated that the fuel pick up point in your car's tank is always at the bottom of the tank in amongst the debris, even when the tank is full up. If it was at the top, you'd run out of petrol as soon as you drove off the forecourt! So, how can it suck up any more debris when you run dry than it would when there is fuel in the tank. The pickup pipe is hardly going to hoover up every last morsel of dust in the tank from every corner which could be a foot or more away from the pick up point.

    I also stated that every car I've ever know has a fuel filter before the carb, which is usually pretty cheap and easy to change for new (i.e. hardly a 'knackered' engine job), and the thing that is more likely to cause the motor to run like a bag of spanners is air in the line from the empty tank, not debris.

    The girls just hid behind the idea that that's what all the mechanics tell them, so it must be right, and I'm not a mechanic...... so there!

    Is this an urban myth? It's a conspiracy theory for sure!

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    do you work in a kitchen steve?

    (i'll go hide)

    cheers

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    • #3
      I guess maybe when the tank is full the lighter fuel is always gonna be first through the tube vs the heavier denser sludge at the bottom. Despite where the pick up point is. As the tank gets low and the liquid ratio gets similar to that of the sludge then the sludge is more likely to be pulled into the system... i guess. But i no nothing about cars.
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      • #4
        The daggers were out for sure Paul!

        Apologies for the duplicate thread - not sure what happened there. Have closed the other one.
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        • #5
          If you have anything floating on top of the petrol (water?) that would then get sucked in when the level dropped, alternatively if it was a deisel it might need priming possibly

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          • #6
            One woman told me that her car didn't have a battery because it's a diesel. Never argue with women, they trust mechanics.
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            • #7
              [QUOTE=Mikej;831663]If you have anything floating on top of the petrol (water?) that would then get sucked in when the level dropped[/QUOTE]

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              • #8
                Q. Is this the right room for an argument?
                A. I've told you once!
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                • #9
                  Just had an even scarier thought.........

                  Rachel?

                  A woman, and a mechanic.

                  I'm doooooooooooomed!
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                  • #10
                    i can answer this question somewhat as an "expert" with my boats over the years and watching gerry cans sup fuel. when the gerry cans near empty the debris will stay with the fuel as it sloshes about and eventually does go up the fuel hose into my fuel filter. it is less likely to get sucked up when it has the entire tank to slosh about.

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                    • #11
                      Sorry Paul, what was that you said?

                      I thought I heard something but it sounded like it was being said in Chinese, wot I don't speak.

                      I must be still correct in my argument..............





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                      • #12
                        sorry removed by me
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                        • #13
                          Raptor is right :)

                          I get it with my race cars. The first thing I do to them is thoroughly rinse out the tank; Because I run the cars to finish the race with 2-3 litres of fuel left only.

                          With this small amount of fuel you can clog up the fuel filter quite easily. 1kg of random debris in 20 litres of fuel is sucked up at a much less dense rate than 1kg of debris in 2 litres of fuel.

                          Sometimes it can suck up so much debris at once that the fuel filter gets blocked - This means the car doesnt maintain fuel pressure, the engine leans out and detonates and can fail.

                          However, engine damage is VERY unlikely, especially with todays engine management systems. Its much more likely to just stall, or go into limp home mode.
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                          • #14
                            Well there are fuel filters so this is of no concern. Extra fuel sitting there is just dead weight you are carrying around all the time otherwise. The only danger of going too low (and I mean very low) is that the fuel acts as a coolant for the pump and this can cause it to overheat and fail.

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                            • #15
                              of course your friends could allways go to a Lady mechanic , I may know a good one .
                              I can see reading this thread will really give me a chuckle LOL.


                              Fuel blockages are extreemly rare and to be honest "contamination " even from the filling station is way more likley.

                              as for running out some cars , such as vauxhalls and fords with peugeot diesels are an absolute pain to get going again.


                              XXX rachel

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