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  • how the hell does a heli fly inverted?

    just been watching the odd video flying there helis upside down etc and wondered what makes this possible, im assuming some how the pitch of the blades is reversed or something?? not that im gonna go try or anything just curious lol
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    Negative collective pitch.
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    • #3
      Originally posted by Steve View Post
      Negative collective pitch.
      ok steve i was hoping for a bit more than that, lol, i.e. what controls etc
      Last edited by loz; 16-06-2011, 01:00 PM.
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      • #4
        You need equal travel +/- pitch. we use idle up to give us a constant headspeed (normal a v curve or straight line throttle curve) which let's us use the negative side of the pitch range with power, this let's the heli move upside down without falling out of the sky.


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        • #5


          Does this help?

          Zero degrees collective pitch at centre stick, positive pitch above centre and negative pitch below centre.
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          • #6
            Originally posted by loz View Post
            im assuming some how the pitch of the blades is reversed or something?? not that im gonna go try or anything just curious lol
            I'm wondering how you set your 450 & 500 heads up if you dont have a grasp on negative collective?

            Have you ever noticed that your tail blades turn the airframe left and right?
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            • #7
              Originally posted by Gate88 View Post
              I'm wondering how you set your 450 & 500 heads up if you dont have a grasp on negative collective?

              Have you ever noticed that your tail blades turn the airframe left and right?
              sorry im only a noob, perhaps i didnt explain what i meant properly, i understand what negative & positive pitch is, but when the heli is filpped upside down y dosnt it just plough straight in the ground, what makes the downward wash now go the other way?
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              • #8
                Originally posted by loz View Post
                sorry im only a noob, perhaps i didnt explain what i meant properly, i understand what negative & positive pitch is, but when the heli is filpped upside down y dosnt it just plough straight in the ground, what makes the downward wash now go the other way?
                Negative collective pitch.
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                • #9
                  Originally posted by loz View Post
                  sorry im only a noob, perhaps i didnt explain what i meant properly, i understand what negative & positive pitch is, but when the heli is filpped upside down y dosnt it just plough straight in the ground, what makes the downward wash now go the other way?
                  The negative collective pitch

                  As in Steve's picture, the pic on the left is the collective pitch which gives the heli lift, when you flip inverted the blade looks like the second picture so you are effectively providing lift but upside down
                  Last edited by danch; 16-06-2011, 01:34 PM.

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by danch View Post
                    The negative collective pitch

                    As in Steve's picture, the pic on the left is the collective pitch which gives the heli lift, when you flip inverted the blade looks like the second picture so you are effectively providing lift but upside down
                    What a load of rubbish!
                    I just flick the anti-gravity switch the other way round on my Tx...
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                    • #11
                      ok well dont think ill bother trying that just yet, cheers
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                      • #12
                        Originally posted by pgkevet View Post
                        What a load of rubbish!
                        I just flick the anti-gravity switch the other way round on my Tx...
                        You could just turn your Tx upside down maybe, then down will be up and up will be down. Sorted.
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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by pgkevet View Post
                          What a load of rubbish!
                          I just flick the anti-gravity switch the other way round on my Tx...
                          Ahh crap I haven't got that switch, now I've gotta upgrade my tx

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by Steve View Post
                            You could just turn your Tx upside down maybe, then down will be up and up will be down. Sorted.
                            could do that! I fly futaba.

                            If it was spektrum then it'd put the heli out of range and all the gubbins would fall out! lol
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                            • #15
                              Originally posted by Steve View Post
                              You could just turn your Tx upside down maybe, then down will be up and up will be down. Sorted.
                              Helis in Australia are always flying upside down.
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