3d masters in spain

[Stuart]

stuart, i propose something like an RCHA funfly at one of the large airfields mentioned above to "replace" the 3DM for us UK peeps. we could have a funfly with a view to organising a comp/fun fly the following year when the venue has been tested and maybe get together with the 3DC for a very large event?????

i think it would be best suited for everyone.

1. your site gets exposure (couple of mag adds, word of mouth in UK via here)
2. i would 100% support/attend as i'm sure would others.
3. you have sponsors already for this site that i'm sure would be happy to discuss such an occasion with a view to stalls etc coming (and i don't mean 1-2 stalls)
4. i'm sure some of the uk manufacturers would come and demo new stuff
5. the 3DC gets a more high profile occasion

thoughts?

cheers

Going back to my post a few pages back....

http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/showpo...3&postcount=58

I had a lengthy discussion about this when at work, ironically a training day on social enterprise businesses.

So I'm working on a Business Plan and key social benefits. One area that the 3DM was as its key mission statement was to:

To publicise and popularise 3D Helicopter Flying to the public at large.

Not trying to stir it up here, but I personally think it failed to achieve this by miles. What I'd like to see is an event that brought the hobby to the public as a show off event and plus some minor comp/funfly stuff. I think the 3D Club/Champ's are better suited events for the serious competition guy's. Maybe even some fixed wing electric stuff.

The social benefits come in the shape of tourism, getting the kids off the xbox's / street corners and into a hobby that creates a community spirit, fellowship etc.

So I'm looking for a venue, of which the Swinderby one look's great. Whilst trying to look at all the social benefit's. If I can demonstrate robustly enough I can potentially tap into ten's of thousands to support the event to launch it.

So those business minded think outside the box and if we ran a big event annually how could this benefit the social issues of today.

ohhh... I was also considering as an idea holding a Guinness Book of Records attempt for the most inverted hovering rc helicopters in one venue. If there is a record I'd need to check it out.

[Ade_Law]

great news stuart!

if you need man power over the weekend i would be willing to help out, im sure the guys at DMHC would also be willing to put their oar in too.

what about a redbull air race type thing, rather than having gates you have site lines the F3F mob use at each end of the flight line and a centre line.

so you take off, fly out of say the left hand end of the "gate".

once you get outside of the box you have to re-enter within 20secs or the clock starts without you.

then you do 10legs, when you pass over the centre line you have to do a move, then a turnaround move at the far end, if you dont complete the move correctly you get a time penalty. you have to pass the turn gate before starting the turn around manouvre.

we should set the moves used in the "race" nothing too hard like loops and reverals maybe a good bank and yank turn.

Ade

[moonmanflyer]

Nice one stuart, this could be the event of the year easy.
I am sure the heliaddicts members would be willing to help, i know i would

[simm0]

i agree with alot of you guys on here and actually we are finding out what we want..the average bloke that is..
as for classes im sure there will be some in next years competitions but i recon classes dont work.as paul mentioned you get a fantastic flyer in the lower classes and using lower k factors to put them in classes so it doesnt work either as you get the fantastic flyer choosing k1/k2 tricks then nailing everyone in the free style doing k3 tricks..............................
if we have an open class it helps in......

if people dont turn up etc it doesnt leave the class empty
it encourages pilots to fly nearly 100 percent of there ability and really thats the way you can find out the ability of the pilot
you get the change if you fly well to beat higher class pilots

ill use barney as an example im sure he wont mind us being friends
for instance barney did just the correct amount of k's to keep him in the intermediate class and win..that doesnt mean he cant do all the k3 does it.so does that show barneys true ability or does barney show us what he wants.??us to see..just an example mate..nothing more
in clubman there wasnt a k factor limit and that allowed stefan to pick higher k factors than some pilots in that comp..and that allowes the judges to find the pilots limits in the competition..and stefan had been flying for about a 1 .1/2 years then ,so there wasnt any reason for him to be in a higher class ,example the champions class in 3d champions at that time
so i think classes dont work really.just have one class and pilots fight for a higher position each year,,thats the competiiton trying to beat your last years position.
just my own thoughts guys
cheers craig simmons

[TimmyB]

Good points Craig but I would as an average/rookie 3der rather have a chance of winning a lower class on my first few attempts at competing and be able to choose set manouvers I can nail on demand. Any bigger tricks I do tend to come out as part of a flight and usually end up a mess if attempted on demand but still may come out during a freestyle. We cant all just throw out a big ben whenever we please lol. Mixing classes aswell so you can still be overall ranked higher than someone in the class above would be good. Maybe overall points at the end of a season could determine your class?

[Nige]

Separate classes

The organisers generally know most of the entrants (or see them flying at a fun fly during the year). The competitors can therefore be encouraged to enter the appropriate class. It can also be suggested that if you placed top 3 in the class that you move to the next level. For clubman there were always strict limitations for entry. This was done to encourage competitors who have never entered a competition before.

There are certain flyers that improve dramatically over a short period of time, they then appear to be in the wrong class, but for the next competition they move up to an appropriate level. You will always get the unknown pilot who comes in and gets a good result, but they don’t remain ‘unknown’ for very long :-)

[moonmanflyer]

You do make some valid points craig but i still feel that as a possible first timer maybe at the 3D champs next year, i would feel a bit intimidated flying with the likes of Steve Gerrard, Duncan, Adie & Stu Smith, Stefan, Ade Law etc etc in the same class.
There is no way i would be looking to win anything, i would want to do it for experience and just the fun of the event and try not to come last, the above people are there to win it, and so should be in a seperate experts class, with the club begineer flyers seperate.
Again just my feelings, wouldn't stop me entering either way but would feel more relaxed surrounded by people of a similar ability

[waveydavey]

Stuart is there no bounds. You run a business, run and maintain this site I presume you have a partner kids maybe, bloody hell man do you not sleep. You definitely need help if your going to take this on. Fair play.

[richieclarkie]

I've got mixed views on the seperation of classes. Overall I like the idea of 2 classes as it does give someone starting a bit of hope to at least have a fair placing in their class. I know my selection of K factor manouvures (which put me me in intermediates) was based on my abilty to do them well. It's clear that many pilots choose manouvres they aren't very good at JUST to try and use the K factor to their advantage.

However as has already been pointed out Barney was sandbagging and clearly should have been in Champions . Then again there are the hopeless cases like Mike Freeman than clearly overstretched themselves and could do with a "Novice class".... did I mention 153?

(Disclaimer: to all you people with no sense of humor the last paragraph is banter)

[Tim Procter]

Then again there are the hopeless cases like Mike Freeman than clearly overstretched themselves and could do with a "Novice class".... did I mention 153?

Class post Richie..

[barney]

Raptorheli2

getting the kids off the xbox's

PMSL

[Mojogoes]

I've got mixed views on the seperation of classes. Overall I like the idea of 2 classes as it does give someone starting a bit of hope to at least have a fair placing in their class. I know my selection of K factor manouvures (which put me me in intermediates) was based on my abilty to do them well. It's clear that many pilots choose manouvres they aren't very good at JUST to try and use the K factor to their advantage.

However as has already been pointed out Barney was sandbagging and clearly should have been in Champions . Then again there are the hopeless cases like Mike Freeman than clearly overstretched themselves and could do with a "Novice class".... did I mention 153?

(Disclaimer: to all you people with no sense of humor the last paragraph is banter)

Quote.....
Class post Richie..

You guys just crack me up

[barney]

i would feel a bit intimidated flying with the likes of Steve Gerrard, Duncan, Adie & Stu Smith, Stefan, Ade Law etc etc in the same class.

Regardless which class you actually fly in..the Big boys unfortunately dont go hide under a stone till your done, likewise any spectators are still there. As for the Judges, there are just mean as hell.

To answer your question Craig about class choice. I had virtually no previous to gauge myself (remote location). For comparsions I looked at the 3DM classes as its 3DM sets that are being used..having been to spectate 3DM in 2007/08

At our Annual 3mins Scottish Nats flight (Its really a FAI event) I was placed about midway, Steve Roberts was placed several places above me. At 3DC he placed about 6th/7th from memory being 3rd place the previous year.

3DC Intermediates was a lot closer than you possibly realise and any of the top 5 were more than worthy. Remember your score is from scratch in the finals, and my sets were rubbish second time round. (Music round was carried forward)...IMHO My Freestyle is my weakest area but I settled down luckily and was in the 'ZONE' as they say..more than can be said for the Victory flight..I was miles away..LOL

With 3 Months to go for 3DC I practiced the Sets repeatedly and the Music round..ignoring the freestyle (mistake)

I only started Piro Tic Tocs 3 months prior to 3D Champs. I literally flew daily 3 flights and 6-8 on Wed/Sun for 1 month prior. I also spent 1/4 -1/2 hr simming most nights. I flew in ALL conditions except blinding Sunshine..LOL

At 3 weeks to go I switched to the 700 when it turned up burning around 6 gallons the rest was Trex600N/500 5S

As I said earlier in a previous post Splitting the Trophy's by overall placings eliminates any need for classes as you will be rewarded according to your flying abilities which I think is a better system.

I thought the 3D Champs Fleece is a brill idea (every competitor got one).

See example below.

If you have a field of 30 Flyers. Position 1/2/3 are the Masters champs.

Position 10/11/12 Would be Intermediate champs.

Position 20/21/22 would be Clubman champs.

GTG cheers Brian

[ghettotige]

Richie, you got it wrong mate I wasn't overstretched, the Smith brothers asked me to dumb it down a bit so I did not make them look bad and as a mate I had to say yes.

There you go with that 153, again well I will C U next tuesday, oh sorry I mean Sunday LOL.

[simm0]

so guys try this example..
say if stefan didnt enter and win clubman 2008 (it was touch and go whether he did)and i entered him into 3d championship 2009 in inter class.would that be sporting and fair to club level pilots..and then barney did the same how high would the level be and would that be fair for others.i mean stefans been flying today doing kaos lucas riva style.and included that into his sets for inter class 2009,,im sure you get my point.
and i know thats some peoples mentality.not ours tho
this is just an interesting conversation and doesnt apply to stefan because he wants to compete in the champs class

cheers craig simmons