Logo 700

[Rob Barnes]

Using the slimmer gear , not the one from the old model which would you use ? 750-50 0r 750-56 Kontronik ??

Ill be phoning Midland first thing to get my name on the list , woohoo !

[atomiccomp]

The claimed weight is interesting, is this in line with what people were hoping for/expecting?

Seems quite heavy to me. 5.3 KG's is heavier than my Trex 700 which is 4.9kg's with 5000 6's. I assumed it was to be a lightweight 700.

[Varelco]

I love it and I want it...

Price is to be expected, hardly earth shattering. Considering introductory prices for previous 700s released, everyone says the same thing regardless of the heli.

Seems nice and light too

[Grumpy]

Seems nice and light too

Not really as light as some seemed to be expecting though. Lighter than the old Xxtreme 700 for sure, but about the same weight as a Goblin 700 and heavier than Trex 700... Probably about average weight for a 700 so nothing game changing as far as weight is concerned.

[bigpops]

My Trex 700L is 5.3Kg with 6s 5000s. 5.3Kg was also the rtf weight of my 7HV when I had it, so about on point with this new Logo 700.
It should be lighter than the Protos Max V2 I think, as that's one of the beefier 700s and people tend to put heavier ESCs and motors in it which make it heavier again. That looks like a total bargain though doesn't it compared to the Logo? £300 cheaper, plus a Brain you can sell for £80 maybe?

Money no object, I'd buy the Logo, but money is a factor, and the Protos Max is a heli of a lot of heli for the money. If I were in a position to buy a new heli, I'd have to really really want the Logo to justify the cost over the Protos.

[philipjdall]

Grumpy you make a good point.

If it is lightness you are after then the 690sx is the one to buy, but as we all know, lighter weight comes at the sacrifice of durability. Don't get me wrong it is a super model (I have 2) but it's not the logo you see the pros flying in competitions. For my own use it has been absolutely brilliant, but you do have to stay on top of the maintenance etc. Equally if it goes in, you'll be very lucky not to have to replace the frames (it uses the same frames as the 550/660 models) as the sheer power and inertia of a 700 size drive train tends to wreak havoc when it hits terra firma.

It was with all this in mind that they developed the previous 700extreme, which was designed to be a tank - but as such it was too heavy.

The new logo 700 is pitched as the best of both worlds. Durable, crash resistant, easy to repair, but with low disc loading - and I think that is the key. Low disc load defines logo helicopters. The 690sx achieves this through ultra light weight, the new 700 is light but also using new blades which are designed to give more lift - so from all reports it totally lives up to the logo legacy.

Bigpops I agree, the protos max is a hell of a lot of heli for the money. But I've owned 13lb 700's before (700xx ahem) and they just don't fly well unless you put bigger blades on them, but that in turn loads the system so you beef up your electrics, get into 14s etc etc.

[Planehazza]

It looks great, but 1000 euros is taking the mick IMO. Great that it comes with blades and there's more metal/carbon/shiny bits, but it does feel like they're promoting this as a premium model by slapping on a premium price...

[Grumpy]

the new 700 is light but also using new blades which are designed to give more lift - so from all reports it totally lives up to the logo legacy.

I don't think you can claim that blades are an advantage of the Logo.. Blades can be fitted to any heli, they are not unique fitment to the Logo. I'd also reserve judgement as to the pretty wild claims for these new blades until they are in the hands of some neutral testers.

Also different blades don't effect disk loading. Disk loading is simply heli weight over rotor disk area. FWIW my Goblin 770 has a bout 15% lower disk loading than the new Logo based on Mikado's claimed weight vs. the actual weight of my 770.


Anyway, I'm probably coming across as over negative. In reality I actually like the look of the new Logo. Generally plastic frames don't get my juices flowing but the new frame on the 700 does look very nice.

[Planehazza]

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Anyway, I'm probably coming across as over negative. In reality I actually like the look of the new Logo. Generally plastic frames don't get my juices flowing but the new frame on the 700 does look very nice.

I agree, and I always take the notion of plastic frames to mean more rigidity whilst being cheaper to make and replace. Not the case with Mikado it seems. Would love to build one of these though...

[philipjdall]

Whilst in the long run plastic frames are cheaper to produce, the set up cost is massive. This 'plastic' 700 has been a long time coming, and was initially put on hold due to the massive cost of developing new moulds for both the top and bottom half. Without doubt early adopters are in part paying for the massive R&D mikado have put into producing the two part plastic frame, but perhaps in time the price will drop (as it has with the other mikado frames). Who knows.

Grumpy, yes of course blades can be fitted to any model, so isn't a deciding factor. Either way I think the weight is in line with what we expected.

I haven't tried them myself, but people I trust have VTX 697 - Review after a month - HeliFreak

Beyond blades and frame, one of the key things to a logo is the 'feel' - which I often attribute to the flex in the plastic blade grips. I'm keen to see how this new metal head performs, it is certainly far more sleek than it's predecessor!

I guess we need to wait and see. In either way we are still a few weeks away, as they aren't planning to ship until after IRCHA (mid/late august).

Plenty of time to save those pennies

[Planehazza]

Whilst in the long run plastic frames are cheaper to produce, the set up cost is massive. This 'plastic' 700 has been a long time coming, and was initially put on hold due to the massive cost of developing new moulds for both the top and bottom half. Without doubt early adopters are in part paying for the massive R&D mikado have put into producing the two part plastic frame, but perhaps in time the price will drop (as it has with the other mikado frames). Who knows.

Grumpy, yes of course blades can be fitted to any model, so isn't a deciding factor. Either way I think the weight is in line with what we expected.

I haven't tried them myself, but people I trust have VTX 697 - Review after a month - HeliFreak

Beyond blades and frame, one of the key things to a logo is the 'feel' - which I often attribute to the flex in the plastic blade grips. I'm keen to see how this new metal head performs, it is certainly far more sleek than it's predecessor!

I guess we need to wait and see. In either way we are still a few weeks away, as they aren't planning to ship until after IRCHA (mid/late august).

Plenty of time to save those pennies

I get that, and I'm no financial expert, but it just seems to me that they're going to kill off many of their sales pricing so high. If they had it for 700 Euros, they would sell a lot more and recoup more in the long run.

[mahbouni]

it just seems to me that they're going to kill off many of their sales pricing so high. If they had it for 700 Euros, they would sell a lot more and recoup more in the long run.

I doubt they're going to kill off their sales, well not in the rest of the world anyway. It's not Mikado's fault that the British Pound is worth 15% less than it was 6 months ago. Back then it would have cost only £720, which would have been very reasonable. In the USA it is $999 and a lot of people were expecting it to be more.

Like I said, expect price increases on most things in our hobby this year. You can't expect shops to absorb a 15% currency devaluation for very long. It is inevitable that prices will go up as stocks are replaced and within a few months there will be a less skewd price comparison between different brands in UK shops.

[philipjdall]

Agree, I think the pricing is as to be expected. The guys in the US have done well, we are the ones suffering.

[PeteStewardson]

Weight is disappointing. I don't have a big heavy ESC on my Ballistic but with 5000mah packs it would be 300g lighter than the quoted figures for the Logo 700.

[milly0812]

Well I bagsy Majs cast off in a few weeks :P