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  • #31
    I think you've progressed well Mike
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    • #32
      for sure if you are used to hitting throttle hold if something goes wrong, its a new mechanical skill needed to switch something else!
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      • #33
        Originally posted by james_2k View Post
        for sure if you are used to hitting throttle hold if something goes wrong, its a new mechanical skill needed to switch something else!
        Some people even replace their normal TH switch with Rescue to avoid learning a new skill! I didn't go that far myself, I still have TH on my right hand as normal and Rescue in the same position on the left. I prefer rescue on a toggle switch too rather than most people who seem to prefer a momentary switch.
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        • #34
          Rescue on a toggle can be dangerous. I know someone who had it on a toggle and inadvertently spooled with rescue activated. The heli leapt off the ground before it had even got up to full RPM and disappeared toward the heavens at an ever increasing rate of knots. In a panic he hit TH but couldnt auto down because rescue was still applying positive pitch.. it didn't end well!

          If you use a toggle at least have it set to activate some sort of audible warning so you cant accidentally spool with it activated... Yeah, I know he probably should have noticed that the heli had positive pitch before spooling but it's an easy thing to miss. A momentary switch is safer IMHO.
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          • #35
            i have the demon set to a three way switch, middle for normal ops, down for self level and up for recovery. throttle hold normal switch h. as i dont use any normal modes, everything is idle up, want to be sure where the hold switch is

            @ grumpy, could easily set a warning for wrong switch position, mine are voice tagged with 'Bailout', 'Agility mode' and 'Self Level' respectively. so Miss Spektrum keeps me right
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            • #36
              All vbar here with no rescue...don't see myself running out to get one either. My crashes are mostly mechanical or i got cocky
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              • #37
                Originally posted by Mike Sanders View Post
                I am more like Grumpy, not pushing the envelope to far at any given time; learning slowly but taking the helis home intact as much as possible. Maybe age has something to do with that.
                I think the usefulness of a rescue feature has a lot to do with what type of flying you do / what sort of moves you're working on. The advice that was always given in the days before this wave of technology was to learn all the basic orientations really well and then work on any new moves '2 mistakes high'. I think this is still a very viable approach for smooth flying, F3C/F3N, 'big air', etc. and assuming you're comfortable with the heli facing in any direction you can bail yourself out if the move you're working on goes wonky provided you have some height to work with.

                But for fast and complicated moves down low, I imagine a rescue or self-level can really save the day if you can activate it in time.
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                • #38
                  I find that I only tend to use rescue when I've lost orientation, which seems to happen a fair bit lately. I use the long spring loaded momentary switch on the rh side of the futaba. I don't have collective programmed into the rescue, just level right side up, which works for me because most of my dodgy manoeuvres are at height anyway.

                  I'm trying to copy some of the things that I do on a fixed wing and generally end up losing orientation. For instance, flying at speed from right to left, I pull back on elevator and ease off the collective and the heli climbs vertically nose up. I then flip the nose over backwards at the top of the climb so it's pointing downwards and as the heli starts to come down I roll it 180 degrees so it's facing the right direction, add collective and pull back elevator until I've got straight and level flight going back in the opposite direction from left to right. No problems. But as soon as I try the same manoeuvre in the opposite direction then I totally lose orientation at the top of the climb. I invariably hit rescue to level it and spin the tail until I get orientation back.

                  It's so simple on a plane but I have so much trouble with a heli because of orientation issues.
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                  • #39
                    It helped me progress enormously fast when I got my first Spirit. Had another one soon after and sold all my SK540s. If you've finally got your heli flying nice you really don't want to have to go back and do it all over again the first time you mess up.

                    I'm now getting to the point that I never seem to need it and am beginning to consider that I might not need it in my next flybarless. But not having rescue lost Spartan one or two sales for sure.

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                    • #40
                      Originally posted by Grumpy View Post
                      Rescue on a toggle can be dangerous. I know someone who had it on a toggle and inadvertently spooled with rescue activated. The heli leapt off the ground before it had even got up to full RPM and disappeared toward the heavens at an ever increasing rate of knots. In a panic he hit TH but couldnt auto down because rescue was still applying positive pitch.. it didn't end well!

                      If you use a toggle at least have it set to activate some sort of audible warning so you cant accidentally spool with it activated... Yeah, I know he probably should have noticed that the heli had positive pitch before spooling but it's an easy thing to miss. A momentary switch is safer IMHO.
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                      Unfortunately I don't think I can set a warning on my DX8, but it's always something I double check as soon as I switch my Tx on and before each flight.
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                      • #41
                        Shame you cant use a warning for any channel. (i guess, looking at the manual) its a useful feature.

                        maybe they added it in a firmware update? couldnt hurt to look!
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                        • #42
                          If I could afford to chop and change, I'd give them a go, but I'm not sure I can be bothered to learn another system either. My models fly very well on the CGY750 and VBar so never needed to change.

                          Do wish I had a rescue feature though, as due to fear and lack of stick time, my flying has not progressed from sport/basic 3D in the almost 7 years I've been in the hobby. I've been "learning" backwards inverted for years now, and still can't bring myself to do it without getting wobbling knees ha.
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                          • #43
                            No,,like sims and fbl it wont catch on
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                            • #44
                              Had my first flights today with NEO rescue on my Logo 550 sx. All I can say is I think it will be deployed across the whole fleet now its bloody awesome. I tried a number of scenarios to test the rescue and it passed every one with flying colours. To fly without fear of crashing is amazing. I dont doubt there will be times I still crash and forget to hit the switch or think I have it then realise too late that I didnt lol but in 2 flight my piroflips got lower and i tried things much lower than I normally would. The response from hitting the switch is very quick.

                              Rescue = confidence, confidence = progress
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                              • #45
                                Going flying more than twice a year can also help with progression
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