Is rescue feature now the norm?

[Peteski]

I've got it in the Spirit on my Goblin 630 but I've never had to use it in anger. I have tried it for testing purposes and it works perfectly, but I tend to fly within my limits so haven't ever needed it.

As for the feature causing a 'big advance' in peoples flying. I can honestly (and unfortunately) say that it has made no difference to my flying. I guess it might encourage people to take more risks leading to more losses of control. If that constitutes (or leads to) an 'advance in flying' is an interesting point for debate?

But I still think it's a good feature to have, and yes it's become a basic expectation that any new FBL system will have it. Hopefully the days when manufacturers can get away with selling it as an optional extra at significant added cost are running out.

Since I believe you don't use a sim, the only way you can progress your flying (unless you have somebody to buddy box with) is to get out of your comfort zone and use rescue as necessary to save the heli. It's a much better proposition than the old school approach of simply crashing! If you always fly within your limits then those limits are going to stay much the same. I use the sim to expand my limits and the rescue is just there to provide the confidence to give new tricks I've learnt on the sim a go for real. Without rescue I would be much more nervous and hesitant. All depends of course on what your aim is. Not everyone is motivated to continually improving their skill set.

[woodsta888]

I came back to helis couple of years ago from the tail gyro and flybarred heli days. Flybarless didnt exist and the gyro senso just did heading hold for the tail.

I asked one of the big shops some advice on these new fbl units and the more expensive ones - I was told it was considered cheating. I fly by myself most of the time so I dont know who I would have been cheating but woith an expensive 800 to build I thought tif it saved a crash or two then worth it for me.

I think those that condsidered it cheating were those that got themselves to a 3D level in the old days and the hard way and dont like the thought of people catching up quickly (due to less down time from being saved by rescue) and the cost of not having to rebuild that they had to endure. Also from a 'save' by rescue you are instantly within seconds flying. You lose no time/confidence in rehoning those skills and you progress more quickly.

I think those that took a good X yrs or however long to get to a high standard are annoyed that folk today have the help of a unit that saves the heli when you are not experienced enough to reorientate. Or you suffer acute 'brainfarts' like myself - I need it.

Definately for the purpose of an A or B cert they shouldnt be used or in heli competitions for 3D etc. A rescue feature covers the gaps between a Sim and a non rescue heli =- practice those moves with rescue until you can nail them without.

Someone with rescue is going to advance more quickly than someone without if you both started them at the same time. And they'll get more stick time in.

[Peteski]

I'm just saying that the general attitude about it has changed but there was a time when people would ask and the consensus was mixed. Obviously it can be useful both in learning new moves and avoiding a crash in many types of situations and that's a good thing. I suppose a self-level feature could be 'abused' if someone just flew around all the time in that mode.

I thought back in the days of the Helicommand that the rescue was a cool idea. They were very expensive though and now we have FBL units with rescue at very modest prices and it seems like it's starting to just become a normal part of heli flying.

Using self-levelling as a flying aid is quite different to using rescue only to avoid a crash situation. I think both have their places in the hobby. I learned to fly using a self-levelling quad and it was useful in the very early stages of learning. But I wouldn't use self-levelling to fly now, it's just a useful tool for making the intro to flying CP helis a bit less daunting. For example I think it works pretty well on the Blade micros and then you can switch it off as you gain confidence.

This video is a good demonstration of what you can do with self-levelling. I wouldn't use it like this myself, but it might help someone to gain confidence with inverted flight and you can vary the strength of the self-levelling. It's quite impressive in it's own right.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YfWEYehZEXg

[milly0812]

I said I wouldn't join Facebook

I said v control was ugly

I said rescue was for pussies






But I definitely won't ever have a goblin PMSL

[GIXERMAN]

I said I wouldn't join Facebook

I said v control was ugly

I said rescue was for pussies






But I definitely won't ever have a goblin PMSL

3 0ut of 4 so far

[Grumpy]

Since I believe you don't use a sim, the only way you can progress your flying (unless you have somebody to buddy box with) is to get out of your comfort zone and use rescue as necessary to save the heli. It's a much better proposition than the old school approach of simply crashing! If you always fly within your limits then those limits are going to stay much the same. I use the sim to expand my limits and the rescue is just there to provide the confidence to give new tricks I've learnt on the sim a go for real. Without rescue I would be much more nervous and hesitant. All depends of course on what your aim is. Not everyone is motivated to continually improving their skill set.

There is no right or wrong way, whatever works for the individual is good. I fly within my comfort zone but that doesn't mean that I don't progress because my comfort zone expands with practice. I guess this is much the same way the full size aerobatic pilots progress, they don't have 'rescue' and crashing isn't an acceptable option, yet they still get better.

I'd be the first to admit that my progress is somewhat pedestrian but I enjoy my flying so who cares? I'm not the type who isn't happy unless he adds a new trick to his repertoire every time he flies. I probably should push a bit harder on the heli that has rescue but old habits die hard... I guess I'm a pussy but I'm a pussy who takes his helis home in one piece

[Peteski]

Definately for the purpose of an A or B cert they shouldnt be used or in heli competitions for 3D etc. A rescue feature covers the gaps between a Sim and a non rescue heli =- practice those moves with rescue until you can nail them without.

^ sums it up well.

[Peteski]

There is no right or wrong way, whatever works for the individual is good. I fly within my comfort zone but that doesn't mean that I don't progress because my comfort zone expands with practice. I guess this is much the same way the full size aerobatic pilots progress, they don't have 'rescue' and crashing isn't an acceptable option, yet they still get better.

I'd be the first to admit that my progress is somewhat pedestrian but I enjoy my flying so who cares? I'm not the type who isn't happy unless he adds a new trick to his repertoire every time he flies. I probably should push a bit harder on the heli that has rescue but old habits die hard... I guess I'm a pussy but I'm a pussy who takes his helis home in one piece

I would imagine those aerobatic pilots use sims too and fly 10 mistakes high when learning new moves?! As you say as long as you are happy with your flying it doesn't matter how slowly you progress. But you just sounded a bit disappointed that rescue didn't advance your flying by magic. Well it won't on its own, you need to utilise it to do that! For example I could fly simple circuits all day and rescue would be totally redundant and make no difference to my flying. When it does make a difference is when I'm flying close to the edge of my comfort zone. I still rarely use it in anger, but I do push a bit harder knowing it's there. If I was on a mission to improve quicker I would lean on rescue more than I do, but I'm a bit like you. I'd rather go home with my helis in one piece.

[waveydavey]

I speak as one of those that haven't got rescue, I use Vortex so it's not available, probably never will be. I fly too close to the floor and haven't got the talent or the thumbs to avoid more mishaps than I care to have. The proximity to the floor I firmly believe hones my rather limited skills and if I had rescue on my FBL controller of choice I would surely make use of it. It's questionable whether I could get to the switch in time as I'm normally so involved in fighting the damned thing to the floor I often forget to hit hold never mind the 'you're in the shit switch' Some I get away with and some are destined for the deck, not sure I have the reactions to get to the switch in those that are on their way in a rather majestic way to the floor

[3dx]

I speak as one of those that haven't got rescue, I use Vortex so it's not available, probably never will be. I fly too close to the floor and haven't got the talent or the thumbs to avoid more mishaps than I care to have. The proximity to the floor I firmly believe hones my rather limited skills and if I had rescue on my FBL controller of choice I would surely make use of it. It's questionable whether I could get to the switch in time as I'm normally so involved in fighting the damned thing to the floor I often forget to hit hold never mind the 'you're in the shit switch' Some I get away with and some are destined for the deck, not sure I have the reactions to get to the switch in those that are on their way in a rather majestic way to the floor

I'm pretty much old school and none of my heli's feature rescue mode ,apart from the Blade 230s, which I got for practicing in the garden and at work- and the time when I totally got mixed up trying to do a piro flip, could I find that switch- hell no - result being one smashed beyond economical repair heli , the concept is fine but its not for everyone .

[George J]

Rescue = perfect and very good for trying new stuff etc at height but when you fly on the limit and lower its luck if you hit the switch as Nick Bull loves to milk at the moment! I've used it a few times, may or may not have saved the helis naturally but I was still glad I had rescue when I did and I remembered to use it!

[pooleman]

I haven't got rescue either, I fly Vortex so not available... I would probably try to use it if it was available and may yet try another fbl system that has it if one came along at right price and time but not desperate enough to go all out for it. I have had one serious crash with my Logo 500 and it happened so fast I would never have saved my heli... I didn't even get to throttle hold Having said that I've just started flying a Goblin 700 and it makes me anxious as hell for a lot of reasons (speed, power, my skill or potential lack of when flying it... and oh yeah the ground) so rescue seems like a very attractive idea right now... it just seems to be on a permanent mission to reach the horizon

[Ross Northcott]

I think most people are getting confused with rescue meaning to rescue the heli when its going in, when infact its a much better tool to use to learn new moves, it will help progress your flying, one example, i have been trying reversing piro loops, can do them all day on the sim, but in real life if the heli goes a little out of control i would normally just bail out, but with rescue and as on the sim i have the confidence to control the heli and regain its correct position, just like on the sim, and if it does go wrong i just hit rescue.

[james_2k]

im transferring over to all recovery fbl(s), just takes a lot of the stress away knowing you have it in the back pocket.

less stress more learning, is my belief!

[Mike Sanders]

I can appreciate what is being said about rescue systems. I haven't got one and I am not sure that I would be capable of using it if I did. I have in mind that I would replace the left hand back switch on my dx8 with a push button momentary switch if did have a rescue system. Whether my reactions would be quick enough to use it I don't know. I am more like Grumpy, not pushing the envelope to far at any given time; learning slowly but taking the helis home intact as much as possible. Maybe age has something to do with that.