Hobby King.

[bothma]

I'll have the Pro-tec's please, because I like name, it sounds good "Pro"-tec

Yeah Dean, so say you who just have named brands??? LOL!! suppose if I had black gear in my 600 earlier it would have made no difference......

[tillitgoboom]

Perhaps an unfair example comparing Kia and Merc however,what I was trying to point out was the materials used between these two brands are significantly different in quality that's why one is more expensive than the other and yes before it's said you do pay a premium for the brand name but again for a reason, QUALITY.

Align 615's vs KST HV servos

KST are cheaper and better "QUALITY"

your logic = blown apart, twice !!!! First your logic of "RELIABILITY" and now your logic of "QUALITY"

[dszabo]

Pete, give me a minuite, i'm just microwaving the popcorn

[bothma]

Pete, give me a minuite, i'm just microwaving the popcorn

Is your popcorn ready?

[Grumpy]

I'll happily pay more if the product is 'better' in some tangible, measurable non-subjective way... be it made out of better materials, have more 'features', have better performance or proven to be more reliable.

Where I think I differ with bothma is i don't think simply paying more guarantees any of those things. The Align servos vs. KST is a good example, the KST are better in every tangible way i.e. better materials (aluminium vs plastic) better performance (higher torque and faster), better features (brushless and HV for KST).

[tillitgoboom]

Align black gears are an upgrade over older white gears and are used in all new Align models as they are step forward in design not a premium product that is higher in price because of quality.



OOOOPSSS same price too

YAWN

[trexamanic]

quality does normally cost extra. fact
Let me put it down to a very basic level.

Would i prefer to pay £6 for a mcdonalds main meal or £12 for a freshly made juicy big burger with loads of fresh crisp lettuce tomato and swiss cheese oozing from the sides along with french fries and £3 for a pint of coke and sit in a lovely restaurant(Gustos) in alderly edge enjoying fine dining(i use this term loosely as it is not 7 star dining) with linen table cloths, linen napkins, nice people sat around enjoying themselves, attentive service one on one, lovely ambient music. Need i go on.
Hell yeah.. quality pays if you take it form a global perspective. Also, would i prefer to be driving a tinny kia or a luxurious range rover..
Well i am keeping the range rover. Yes it needs parts now and then but i know that and did when i bought it. And i am in no way a snob!!! I am the most down to earth person you would like to meet. I always invite people in for a cuppa (my fav drink) and i am in no way snobby just because i like nice things. After going to hell (hopefully heaven as i have always been a good person) and back, i really do have a new perspective on things and being "life limited" due to a spinal operation that went badly wrong, yes i do like nice things. I also appreciate the simple things in life. I sit in the summer and watch the bees going about their lives and i love it.
I could give lots of examples and i could examples of other things like the mks ds 95 servos i am going to sell as i just bought the turnigy ones for a third of the price and they are in effect the same.
In essence quality versus price is like a clock pendulum and sometimes it swings too far one way and the equation doesn't balance.
It is a non winnable argument either way. I do however agree that if i owned a £2-3000 helicopter i would only fit it with high branded equiptment but then i could crash it anyway.

[GIXERMAN]

I'll have the Pro-tec's please, because I like name, it sounds good "Pro"-tec

I will take the Pro-tec ones as a set of replacement servo gears will be pennies!!

[dszabo]

Is your popcorn ready?

Sorry mate, I was having a grown up conversation with Tony lol

But to answer your question yes, now get off here and get my glow plugs ordered and make sure they are OS 8 and no cheap rubbish!!!

[forza]

Sorry mate, I was having a grown up conversation with Tony lol

But to answer your question yes, now get off here and get my glow plugs ordered and make sure they are OS 8 and no cheap rubbish!!!

Destroying 3 glow plugs in such a short space of time. Got to be an argument there for relationship between price and reliability lol.

[GIXERMAN]

Sorry mate, I was having a grown up conversation with Tony lol

But to answer your question yes, now get off here and get my glow plugs ordered and make sure they are OS 8 and no cheap rubbish!!!

A Sensible conversation about Cheap Lipos

[GIXERMAN]

Cheap verses expensive from the left which one are better cheap or expensive?

[bothma]

quality does normally cost extra. fact
Let me put it down to a very basic level.

Would i prefer to pay £6 for a mcdonalds main meal or £12 for a freshly made juicy big burger with loads of fresh crisp lettuce tomato and swiss cheese oozing from the sides along with french fries and £3 for a pint of coke and sit in a lovely restaurant(Gustos) in alderly edge enjoying fine dining(i use this term loosely as it is not 7 star dining) with linen table cloths, linen napkins, nice people sat around enjoying themselves, attentive service one on one, lovely ambient music. Need i go on.
Hell yeah.. quality pays if you take it form a global perspective. Also, would i prefer to be driving a tinny kia or a luxurious range rover..
Well i am keeping the range rover. Yes it needs parts now and then but i know that and did when i bought it. And i am in no way a snob!!! I am the most down to earth person you would like to meet. I always invite people in for a cuppa (my fav drink) and i am in no way snobby just because i like nice things. After going to hell (hopefully heaven as i have always been a good person) and back, i really do have a new perspective on things and being "life limited" due to a spinal operation that went badly wrong, yes i do like nice things. I also appreciate the simple things in life. I sit in the summer and watch the bees going about their lives and i love it.
I could give lots of examples and i could examples of other things like the mks ds 95 servos i am going to sell as i just bought the turnigy ones for a third of the price and they are in effect the same.
In essence quality versus price is like a clock pendulum and sometimes it swings too far one way and the equation doesn't balance.
It is a non winnable argument either way. I do however agree that if i owned a £2-3000 helicopter i would only fit it with high branded equiptment but then i could crash it anyway.

Need I say more?? well said!

[bothma]

Cheap verses expensive from the left which one are better cheap or expensive?

I was almost turned MR B but no8's it will be lol!! I'll have a cheap one for Dean tho.....

[Grumpy]

These conversations always go the same way, no one here is advocating using cheap crappy gear. Taking the previous 'example' obviously a tasteless £6 McDonald rubber burger isn't the same thing as your £12 fresh juicy prime beef burger, so clearly paying more for the latter is fully justified because the two things are tangibly different. The point I'd make is that paying £12 for the McDonald's wouldn't improve it's quality one bit, equally if you could buy the prime quality burger direct from the farmer's market for £6 then the cheaper price would not reduce its quality..

'Sometimes' it is possible to get good quality stuff at relatively low prices. This 'stuff' is sometimes the exact same 'stuff' as sold at higher prices under brand names, but by taking off the brand name and buying direct from the country of manufacture (thus missing out various 'non value adding' middle men) you can sometimes get it much cheaper.

Face facts guys, 95% of 'stuff' in this hobby is made in sweatshops in China or the far east anyway, even much of the top brand stuff. The act of sticking a brand name label on and paying twice the price in itself does not guarantee quality.