Bail out FBL units dragging me back into the hobby . Maybe!

[umox]

I have both units and at the moment prefer the 3sx over the spirit only due to the fact I have 2 and find setting them up a breeze. I'm still tweaking the spirit on my dominator to get it just how I like it.

one thing to make note of with the 3sx is if your just using sats make sure they are dsmx 11ms and you have a good 6v bec otherwise you may find unwanted behaviour in flight.
Not every one has problems it seems to be hit and miss but there are plenty of posts regarding sat brownouts if you use a seperate receiver then there are no issues.

i do love the Bluetooth dongle with the spirit unit makes tweaking at the club much easier than taking your laptop.

i did have a little crash still even with the bailout and yes I did hit the switch, and yes you could see the model trying to pitch up but unfortunately I had just gone inverted and yes I was still in normal throttle not in idle up so she just dropped like a brick luckily damage was very minimal but still where humans are there will always be errors.

Live and learn

[AnthD]

I have both units and at the moment prefer the 3sx over the spirit only due to the fact I have 2 and find setting them up a breeze. I'm still tweaking the spirit on my dominator to get it just how I like it.

one thing to make note of with the 3sx is if your just using sats make sure they are dsmx 11ms and you have a good 6v bec otherwise you may find unwanted behaviour in flight.
Not every one has problems it seems to be hit and miss but there are plenty of posts regarding sat brownouts if you use a seperate receiver then there are no issues.

i do love the Bluetooth dongle with the spirit unit makes tweaking at the club much easier than taking your laptop.

i did have a little crash still even with the bailout and yes I did hit the switch, and yes you could see the model trying to pitch up but unfortunately I had just gone inverted and yes I was still in normal throttle not in idle up so she just dropped like a brick luckily damage was very minimal but still where humans are there will always be errors.

Live and learn

This is a good point with the Sats , Wiuld it be recommended to use a RX and loom or/and Sats when running a SL unit on the Heli then would everyone agree ?

[Mark_T]

This is a good point with the Sats , Wiuld it be recommended to use a RX and loom or/and Sats when running a SL unit on the Heli then would everyone agree ?

The issue is just with the way the BD units provide power for the satellites, it is not a problem on the Spirit.

Even on the BD it is easily solved by providing a solid power source that can handle the load of your particular servos.

I would still be happy running sats only on a BD3SX as long as I had the right power source and I'd probably make sure I was safe by using the Optipower Backup Guard.

I did a lot of bench testing on the BD3SX with Spektrum satellites and various BEC and LiFE options and the satellites work just fine as long as you take care of the power system.

You can mask the problem by going for a full receiver instead, but you are just hiding the real problem which is an inadequate power supply...

[james_2k]

I have an 8v bec on my sat based 3sx and it's fine. No problems.

[umox]

If you use a full receiver it gives a bit more of a margin regarding volts but I use sats only on my 630 with 7.3v on the Bec I also have telemetry alarm set at 6v and below and it's yet to set the alarm off.

My 500 again uses 2 sats but initially had glitches and random twitches, I've since changed the 2 dsm2 sats too dsmx and also increased the the Bec to 6.5v and it's been fine since.

Not had any issues with the spirit which also sat only with 6v Bec.

[mak24seven]

Both the new dx7 and Bd unit arrived Thursday , I spent most ( all of ) last night trying to get to grips with a new tx and new flybarless system , after several cans of beer and 12.30 am on the clock all looked well , I have to say the Bd unit is not to difficult to set up and is similar to the vbar .

I hovered the model in the garden today set in rigid mode as per instructions to set the head and tail gain and after a little tweaking it felt on par with my vbar ( albeit in a small area ) . I have now set up the level and bail out modes but will be off to the field to test these as the garden ( my skill level ) is to small to get to grips with it .

I am now off to the BD forum as there are a couple of things I need clarity on but over all for a new tx and FBL system I have not done to badly in jumping in at the deep end.

The proof will be in the pudding but I can already feel a self confidence growing just knowing I have a safety net built into my heli, just need to make it second nature to use the switching I have assigned and all should be good . I decided to go full receiver mode with this unit so ordered the dx7 with the 8000 .

[muscleflex]

Does the Neuron compare to the BD?

[Mike Sanders]

Has anyone bought a Neuron?

[kenny d]

I've got 5 spirits and they really are something. Only issue is connectivity is a little limited so means having to use Y leads but, honestly it's a small price to pay for something so good.

Even if the Demon were the same price as the Spirit I would not choose it over it. The support from Tomas is excellent, the unit flys beautifully and the rescue is a bonus and the Demon has had some reports of elevator bobble, though they are just posts on the internet for what that's worth.

I can usually get out of just about anything these days as long as I can see the model, for already accomplished pilots this is where it makes the difference, when you can't tell which way up or round it is the Spirit will save you.

You have to practice using the switch though. It's use needs to be internalised like the hold switch.
Cheers
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The newest version , just out ( spirit pro) has more ports so no y leads needed , I've got one but haven't finished setting it up , I got it flying but bail out seem to push the heli down , think I've still got to reverse the gyro ?

[Grumpy]

+1 on the Spirit Pro. I held off buying either the standard Spirit or the Neuron specifically because they were short on connections which would have resulted in multiple Y-leads, which I hate. The Spirit Pro solves this with an additional two servo type connections and an additional satellite port.

I've been flying my Spirit pro for a few weeks, it works superbly, no Y-leads required.

[Grumpy]

I got it flying but bail out seem to push the heli down , think I've still got to reverse the gyro ?

Kenny,
No, you don't need to reverse the gyro. The setting you need is found in the 'Stabi' tab in the software. There you find a slider that adjusts the amount of collective pitch added during rescue. This slider can be adjusted for positive or negative values. If when you activate rescue you get pitch pushing the heli down then you need to move the slider over to a negative value in order to reverse the direction of added pitch (if it's already negative move it to positive).

Here's a screen shot of the slider you need to adjust... i had to make mine negative, I ended up with -70%.



FWIW here is my G630 with the Spirit Pro installed. i did a few test activations of rescue, from inverted at 2:30 and from a nose up position at 3:58

[Pj1969]

I've got to admit the MSH BRAIN is amazing, I've been flying it now for 3 years and it's saved me £1000's, don't get me wrong, it like other "bail out's" won't save you in all cases (2ft off the ground knife edge piro style) but gives you the confidence to try things. I don't use the sim, if I want to try a new manouver I just get a bit of height and try it, if it goes tits up, I flick a switch and instantly self levels. I had a Bavarian demon on a heli I bought and if I'm honest me and a pal count work out how to set it up, just seemed confusing and hard compared to the Brain. Ok we know the brain quite well and the BD nothing about, but just couldn't work it out. There is a new version of the Brain software now too which gives you lots more to adjust tiny amounts so you get a heli spot on.

You our can pick up a brain cheap now, I just paid £70 for a V2 which is the best one to go for, software is easy to go through and the heli really does fly nice, either as a smack heli or just plodding around. Good luck and hope you find a unit to suit you and get you back into the hobby.

[madgooner99]

Putting Spirit on my Helis is the best thing I've ever done in the hobby

Ray

[Peteski]

The Microbeast Plus Pro rescue is great too, I've been using it all summer and it hasn't missed a beat. But I'm going to try the new Spirit Pro on my next build, simply because it's a bit cheaper and I'd like to compare for future reference.
But I can't say a bad word about the MB Plus Pro. It flies great and the rescue works perfectly. Maybe one downside for those who like to run a pair of sats is that you can only attach one sat directly.

[Grumpy]

Yeah, the Spirit (and Neuron) cant be beaten for price. Some other other FBL units that support Rescue like the Microbeast Plus and the Neo look similarly priced on first inspection but then you find when you read the small print that you need to pay over £70 extra to turn on deliberately disabled features. Seems a bit 'sneaky' to me. The Spirit comes with everything enabled in the purchase price which is how it should be IMHO.