Why!!!!

[alexlee993]

Is it me or do major repairs come at the time of the month when you just cant afford it!!! I am only a beginner at this, and was hooked as soon as I took off for the first time. Only have a little EF MASH Rescue Chopper, so although repairs arent to expensive, they still hit the pocket when you add on the fact I have to travel about 30 miles just to get to a spare parts retailer!!! I am now sat at home aching to fly, but unable to as I need new blades, new gear set, new canopy and also a new tail!!! If only the wind handnt picked up quicly yesterday then maybe I would be flying now, but the damn weather decided to through my heli into the side of my house quicker than I could kill the throttle!!!

Oh and while I am here, is it actually worth me repairing it when I can or should I purchase something else, was looking at the ef sabre, but not sure?? The conta rotating blades of the one I have or the CX2 appeal to me as a beginner but want to be able to advance onto larger kits as I get better. Anybody have any thoughts on the matter from when they were beginners and then taking the leap to better models??

[Mike W]

One thing i was taught .... if ya not prepared to crash dont fly lol.... Works for me ...AS for the Sabre i would not even bother to be honest ...When i started i went straight for a CP heli as wanted something that looked and behaved like a real heli rather than looked toyish ( yes i know i gonna get bashed for calling contra rota's lol ) I have the added fact that i could already fly a plank as well so was already in the airomodelling world so to speak . Luckily where i fly theres a guy that really good and very helpful on the setup's and stuff so i purchased my first heli ... He set it up and test flew it then taught me...Crashed a few times along the way .. After a few weeks i was yearning for nitro so went and bought a 30 size nitro .. had it 3 weeks and totalled it ... alot more money than the elec i have but its only money and i cant take it with me ... So off i went and bought another 2 nitros incase one got broke i had something to fly ... Not long after that i bought a 60 size scale and the rest is history ... The more i fly the more i love the hobby ...Only been doing it a short time but the buz ya get when ya do ya first hover, circuit nose in and the rest is soo much fun its addictive lol ...if ya already got a contra heli ... purchase new bits and learn to hover all orientations then buy a CP one ....and ABOVE all ... enjoy what ya doing and go at ya own pace

[alexlee993]

thanx for the advice mike. Its interesting to hear what other people go through. I think before i learn anything else i need to learn to be patient!! I am now aching to get fly all because i was impatient yesterday and wanted to get outside! I think that i also need to realise that to be serious about this hobby i need to be remembering that it isnt a toy that i am using! I will now wait eagerly for friday when i can go to get the spares to fix it and go bk to learning to hover in one place. What is the general rule of movement in the hover though? Does it need to be at one height and facing say tail in or is a bit of movement forward/bk/sideways/up/down ok?

[pxr5]

i bought a second hand heli same as the one i already had so when i ordered spares i had a heli to use until parts arrived.

[alexlee993]

Ok, now I am gonna seem dumb here, but when the term cp comes up, what is meant by that???

[Kwickkwack]

Collective Pitch

[Leebert]

CP - Collective Pitch. As opposed to Fixed Pitch.

CP helis can vary the angle of the main blades to hover, climb, descend and even hover inverted.

[Kwickkwack]

Blue quicker than Green again

[Leebert]

Blue quicker than Green again

Got me there Rob

Mine's in the shop at the mo so any colour is faster

[alexlee993]

ok, so i take it the conta-rotating blades of the MASH I have make it a fixed pitch??? Why does this then make it harder to fly if you have a cp rather fixed pitch???

[Leebert]

Yes - spot on.
Contra rotating helis are easier to fly partly due to no tail rotor. The tail rotor is stopping the heli spinning but has a side effect of trying to move the heli sideways. This makes taking off and landing a touch trickier.
Also, with a contra rotating heli, you move the bottom rotor disc (forwards, backwards etc.) and the top rotor disc is controlled by the flybar weights and that tends to stabilise the heli.

[alexlee993]

Ok, I think I'm starting to learn all this now, slowly though. Have found this forum rather better than another one that I started on, and have been given some good advice, help, and suggestions. What hasn't been answered though is the question I ask ref the hover. What is considered a hover in terms of movement within it??? How much scope is there for movement for it to still be considered hovering and then it not being hovering, but flying???

[Kwickkwack]

With your counter rotating heli indoors and with practise, you should be able to hold the heli almost stationary in the air, usually when starting out this would seem impossible but keep practising and it will get easier.

[alexlee993]

Its starting to seem like a mountain to climb, but as mentioned before, I have become hooked by this!!! Does using a counter rotating heli make the leap into cp harder?? I don't want to learn using the one I have only to find that when I feel the urge to move upto a better model I am struggling again!!!

[Kwickkwack]

Not at all, apart from the basics you will be able to progress to nose in and get the whole orientation thing, don't give up and as an addition I wold also suggest you get a simulator and for me Phoenix is the best one on the market, and at around £70 the best money you will ever spend on this hobby.