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**Boggy** · 01-02-2008, 11:47 PM

hi christian welcome to the forum.
tbh mate i dont think anybody on here has a good word to say about walkera. ive had two ,and both were rubbish.if you dont want to go the co.axial route for the money id say your pretty limited. perhaps look at e/sky or e,flite. for the answer

**christianbeccy** · 01-02-2008, 11:51 PM

OK, fair point. Thanks for your reply also. So, where would you suggest I start if I accept the co-axial route (if that is the best way).

I really wanted to keep my first Heli in that sub £100 bracket. I think the Blade CX2 is just out of reach?

Whatever I decide on, I'll be buying 2!! (me and a friend!)

**Boggy** · 01-02-2008, 11:57 PM

if £100 is really your limit look at the twister medivac or blackhawk. or protech helixx3d. they fly nearly as well but the radio is not so great.(35mhz instead of 2.4 ghz)

or if not co,axial try belt cp or honey bee....or even twister3d.

**richieclarkie** · 02-02-2008, 12:20 AM

If money is that tight, you may be better taking up knitting

It's much cheaper

**Boggy** · 02-02-2008, 12:26 AM

ive spilt me lager now!!!

**christianbeccy** · 02-02-2008, 12:45 AM

Come on guys, I have friends that have spent £500 plus on Heli's and not had the balls to get them off the ground. I'd rather start with something cheap'ish and actually develop this hobby. It's not because I can't afford to.

So, you're saying I've got to spend well over £100? What worries me is spending, say £150-200, but out-growing that Heli in a few weeks? At least if its sub £100, its not so painful!

**christianbeccy** · 02-02-2008, 12:50 AM

So, lets straighten something out here, do I buy a 4ch or 6ch? Or do most of the 6ch Heli's have the ability to fly 4ch?

I had looked at the Belt CP and Honey Bee, but figured that they would be too difficult for a Novice like me??

**richieclarkie** · 02-02-2008, 03:07 AM

Well Boggy suggested the Blade CX2 which is £120 - maybe a little less if you are lucky. It flies well and is regarded by many on this forum as a great starting point in helis.

Many noobs start off like you (including me) but you will learn soon enough that you need to buy correctly first time. If you scrimp you will end up with a piece of poo heli (like a walkera) and get out of the hobby anyway.

**Mike W** · 02-02-2008, 07:18 AM

I agree with the above comments, ya get what ya pay for

... Mind u ya ya might want to spend a little more than £100 for something that is easy for beginners and will also progress with ya as u get better .... I learnt on a Art-terch Mini pred which is a full CP heli ... very twitchy but if ya can fly this ya can fly n e thing then lol ... First time i took my 30 size out I s**t myself when i was handed the controls for the first time .... After i had my first major crash ( wrote the heli off lol ) i seemed to progress alot faster hehe ....Now i love the hobby ... Just bought a 60 size scale hughes 500MD and cant wait to get it flying ....Or another option is if ya dont know whether ya will wont to do it or not is to buy Phoenix sim and say a FF7 this will set ya back about £190 BUT .... no money if ya crash and also if ya dont like it ya can always sell it on again

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**plopleuk** · 02-02-2008, 07:20 AM

im a total noob but have scoured the t'internet too and this site has suggested the best so far with the cx2.
i thought the same about out growing it quickly then moving on but at least ill have both an out door heli and an indoor for when the weather isnt good enough for an outdoor, so maybe not all waste.

**Disc** · 02-02-2008, 09:13 AM

Originally posted by christianbeccy View Post

Come on guys, I have friends that have spent £500 plus on Heli's and not had the balls to get them off the ground. I'd rather start with something cheap'ish and actually develop this hobby. It's not because I can't afford to.

So, you're saying I've got to spend well over £100? What worries me is spending, say £150-200, but out-growing that Heli in a few weeks? At least if its sub £100, its not so painful!

Go join a Club or visit one.

500 pounds on a heli and never got it off the ground... either very scared of it or lacking help... like any hobby the time you put in you get back with being able to do more.

wait to you have something turning 160 cm blade diameter in front of you thats scarey!

But here's the thing a medivac might be good to start out with but once the bug bites then its time to look at things.

Sim like pheonix is 80 pounds buy a good tranny as well now these are better than buying a cheap 200 pound model.

Learn what you can on the sim, Buy a decent 50 machine and put the right kit in it. Then go join a club and get them to teach you the basics and set up.

Remember your in the UK and the weather here means get used to fact that 5-15mph winds are common. A good well Set up 50 means you can go out and fly. a Medivac means indoors only a blade is indoors only etc...

Best thing to do is Buy a sim buy a good tranny Visit/JOIN a Good Club

then choose the right machine not something that's not gonna last 5 mins

**Brewber** · 02-02-2008, 10:14 AM

Hi Disc (and sorry to the OP for hijacking his thread...),

I recently have bought a CX2 + Phoenix and obviously find the CX2 on the sim a bit too stable, so have been trying to learn the 450SE. I have 2 main questions:

(1) I am using the Tx that comes with the CX2. Can I assume that another Tx would perform no better/worse with Phoenix, or is my Tx limited in any way/ (beyond buttons/channels etc, I mean I assume the sticks are no more/less sensitive in a more expensive Tx due to pots/hall sensors?)

(2) When I eventually get some stick control I plan to upgrade to either a Blade 400 or a T-rex 450 SE V2. Can you recommend which 'model' on Phoenix behaves most similarly to these a/c in real life?

Thanks in advance for your help/advice, and anyone else who can give me the benefit of their RL and sim experiences.

Brewber
(falling hard for the expensive witch that is RC helis

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Originally posted by Disc View Post

Go join a Club or visit one.

500 pounds on a heli and never got it off the ground... either very scared of it or lacking help... like any hobby the time you put in you get back with being able to do more.

wait to you have something turning 160 cm blade diameter in front of you thats scarey!

But here's the thing a medivac might be good to start out with but once the bug bites then its time to look at things.

Sim like pheonix is 80 pounds buy a good tranny as well now these are better than buying a cheap 200 pound model.

Learn what you can on the sim, Buy a decent 50 machine and put the right kit in it. Then go join a club and get them to teach you the basics and set up.

Remember your in the UK and the weather here means get used to fact that 5-15mph winds are common. A good well Set up 50 means you can go out and fly. a Medivac means indoors only a blade is indoors only etc...

Best thing to do is Buy a sim buy a good tranny Visit/JOIN a Good Club

then choose the right machine not something that's not gonna last 5 mins

**richieclarkie** · 02-02-2008, 10:40 AM

The controller that comes with the blade cx2 is OK to use with phoenix. The only thing I'm not sure about is whether you can lighten the feel of the gimbles by reducing the tension on the springs. Otherwise it has everything needed, you do everthing else in the sim config.

The Blade 400 and the 450Se V2 are not the same heli in that the V2 is FAR superior in flying stabilty. The V2 feels much closer to 50 sized helis whereas the blade 400 has more slop and is harder to fly.

You pays your money you takes your choice.

**Brewber** · 02-02-2008, 11:27 AM

Hi Richie,

Invaluable, thanks for that. I can see now, having checked again, that the Blade is about £280 inc TX etc and the 450SE V2 £290 without TX...so in terms of the actual heli itself, I could consider the Blade a £120-150 "heli" with a £100 tx I guess? Whereas the 450SE is £290 "worth" of pure heli = better product (lets assume I would have a nice shiny tx to use).

In which case, to progress from a CX2 to something that burns a hole in my pocket, which upgrade path would you suggest?

Thanks in advance for picking your brain

Brewber.

PS: Having seen how much I am struggling on the sim to do nose-in, I am thinking an electric heli is gonna be damn expensive in lipos to give me the real flying time I might need to get confident with a proper heli, which leads me to consider if nitro might be a better alternative. I might try to find if someone has done a cost comparison between an electric 450 and nitro equivalent...+ a "rc nitro helis for dummys" guide re: breaking in engines etc.

Originally posted by richieclarkie View Post

The controller that comes with the blade cx2 is OK to use with phoenix. The only thing I'm not sure about is whether you can lighten the feel of the gimbles by reducing the tension on the springs. Otherwise it has everything needed, you do everthing else in the sim config.

The Blade 400 and the 450Se V2 are not the same heli in that the V2 is FAR superior in flying stabilty. The V2 feels much closer to 50 sized helis whereas the blade 400 has more slop and is harder to fly.

You pays your money you takes your choice.

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