1st helicopter

[mattydred]

Thanks for that. Are they hard to fly?

Also i have found it here for £100 is this the same one?

http://www.rcscale.co.uk/eshop/prodd...prod=ESky-E013

Thanks
Jamie

yes this is the same. i would go with this 1 or the 1 of ebay from the link i replied with in my first reply to your question. this is where i got mine.

[jthomo]

So are they good? What are they like in wind? I dont want to order from hong kong as you are at risk from customs charges and delivery takes ages.

Also i found this one seems to have the same sort of spec:
http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/upgraded-Walke...QQcmdZViewItem

What about the Esky Belt CP from the model shop for £100 is that the same as Ebay? Here it is again:

http://www.rcscale.co.uk/eshop/prodd...prod=ESky-E013

Thanks
Jamie

[mattydred]

stay clear of the crappy walkera helis. that belt cp from the model shop is the same as the 1 of ebay.

my belt cp flys really well. flys straight out of the box if you can fly helis in the first place.

you should get a good simulator first or it will cost you in repairs.

im going to get the metal head and tail upgrades, carbon main & tail blades and the fibreglass airwolf fuz

check this out
http://www.esky-heli.com/esky-belt-c...o-pr-1767.html

[jthomo]

so should i buy one for £99.99 from that model shop? Also do they fly well in wind?

What about the landing helper thing do i need that?

Thanks
Jamie

[fatmantom]

400 size helis can handle the wind a bit better than the counter rotating heli's

i would still recomend not flying it in the wind....especially when learning

u will defo need the training legs to help you out.... that will save you lots in spares!

in my opinion if ur first heli is going to be one of these you should have a go on a sim as you will need to get the "gist" of the basic controls.

cheers,

[jthomo]

"Well, the Belt-CP is easy to setup and assemble, BUT, not recommended for beginners. Why? Be course crashes will happen even with the most skilled of pilots, and even though larger helis tend to be more smooth & stable, this heli will be very unforgiving in the slightest of crashes. Opinions will vary greatly, and everyone will have their own idea concerning what is right, but this helicopter is not for beginners. Each heli required a definite amount of time & care, and this heli will be no different. If you plan on ordering this heli, be sure to have solid experience with a CP (Collective Pitch) heli, because CP helis are a world apart from their FP (Fixed Pitch) siblings, and the Belt CP will be lost in the hands of a pilot that is not experienced with the sensitivity of a CP heli."

Are you sure i will be able to fly it? I.E. good for beginners???

Also what simulators are good/free?

Thanks
Jamie

[fatmantom]

FMS is the only free one i know off. (have a look on google). phoenix is the one to get though, its a the best investment i have made into the progress of my learning. its £80 but defonatly worth it!

with lots of sim practise you will hopefully be ok with the belt cp but i do agree with that quote above.

a blade cx2 would suit a begginner much better and i believe it will teach you the basics quicker, safer and with less crash's

cheers,

[fatmantom]

look here:

http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/faq.ph...#faq_beginners

[jthomo]

Thanks, to me though to cx2 looks a bit of a toy. I want a good one that i can take outside and it doesn't matter if there is a slight wind. I have learnt the basics from my little indoor helicopter (you should all get one they're ace)!!!!!

Would i be likely to crash a lot even if i practised in my garden at low altitudes? (things like hovering etc.)

Thanks
Jamie

[Leebert]

...Thanks, to me though to cx2 looks a bit of a toy...

I still practise on the CX2 on days like today. For precision landing nose in (on to a mug coaster) and orientation etc. the CX2 is great. There is a lot more to it than meets the eye!

[jthomo]

i can see what your saying but i want a full on outdoor helicopter. I can do landing on a coaster etc. on my picooz.

So come on everyone whats the verdict. Could i fly a collective pitch helicopter or should i buy a single pitch one? If so which one would be just as wind resistant and good outdoors as the Esky Belt?

Also what makes them hard to fly?

Thanks
Jamie

[r.carder]

Sorry to be negative but I think with all the good will in the world, You will crash it within minutes, wait for parts crash again ......

They not in the same game as a piccoz, I learnt the hard way and wasted Hundreds of pounds.

Off course your possibly a faster learner than me, You need to be able to fly it long enough between crashes to progress up the learning curve. I was crashing so quickly I was learning nothing.

Let us know how you get on.

Regards

Roger.

[jthomo]

thanks for that. Its probably better to hear that now than to crash it and waste all my birthday money.

I wasn't comparing it the picoo z i was saying i want a more advanced Helicopter.

So what fixed pitch helicopters are in my budget and good outside in 7 to 8 mph winds?

Thanks
Jamie

[jthomo]

So what fixed pitch helicopters are in my budget and good outside in 7 to 8 mph winds?

Thats what i really want to know! Im only bothered about wind because i know even the slightest wind can send rc aircraft out of control!

Thanks
Jamie

[pompeyjohn]

seriously Jamie, this is hard to hear but the truth......

This hobby is horribly expensive.

Often what looks like something cheap to learn on, can [and probably will] become a money pit.

The sad truth is that there are no helicopters that you'll be able to easily fly outside. Collective Pitch is difficult to learn. Under a couple of hundred quid you'll only find small helicopters which will be harder to fly than the bigger ones.

It makes more sense to get a Collective Pitch helicopter that will not cost you a fortune to repair.... but that will cost more up front. Likewise if you want radio gear that you can reuse with other models, that'll cost you more up front.

Buy right, dont buy twice!

The route I'd recommend would be to get the CX2, and practice practice practice indoors. Once you are comfortable with nose in and side in... then you should be looking to move away from contra.

The best money you'll spend will be to get a sim. Phoenix is excellent.

You know that said, it is your money, and if you are confident in your own abilities then I'd hunt around for a cheap mini pred. It'll cost you a fortune in replacement parts though........