Align 600 vs Raptor 50

[ChrisB]

Can hardly claim it inhibits 3D performance when you look at some of the recent videos of what can be achieved with the new model.

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Must agree,there must be some damn good fliers here if they can exceed this and obviously a Rappy is no longer suitable.

Seriously though,this is an interesting thread that raises some good points.

I have noticed apart from Align really,no other main manufacturers change their products that often.The Raptor is on the whole of it an old design but is it actually lacking in performance because of this?

[Gate88]

Your original gripe was that it taken you 3 hours to try and set up and could only manage a short hover and that you can't work out the gyro settings.

That's only the tip of the iceberg mate! I have hundreds of gripes that include having to buy two of everything when I only want one, the fact that the Align canopies would be more resiliant if they were made from wet toilet paper, why isnt the elevator linkage adjustable? and where's the header tank? I could go on and on but I've already hijacked this thread enough.

I'll start a new one soon detailing the whole sorry affair and you'll see where I'm coming from.

[trillian]

I think there's a TV show in the making here, something like 'helicopter SOS'. With possible overspill into 'pimp my helicopter'

That's only the tip of the iceberg mate! I have hundreds of gripes that include having to buy two of everything when I only want one, the fact that the Align canopies would be more resiliant if they were made from wet toilet paper, and where's the header tank? I could go on and on but I've already hijacked this thread enough.

I'll start a new one soon detailing the whole sorry affair and you'll see where I'm coming from.

[sacko]

That's only the tip of the iceberg mate! I have hundreds of gripes that include having to buy two of everything when I only want one, the fact that the Align canopies would be more resiliant if they were made from wet toilet paper, why isnt the elevator linkage adjustable? and where's the header tank? I could go on and on but I've already hijacked this thread enough.

I'll start a new one soon detailing the whole sorry affair and you'll see where I'm coming from.

Sell it to me!

[mark lane]

That's only the tip of the iceberg mate! I have hundreds of gripes that include having to buy two of everything when I only want one, the fact that the Align canopies would be more resiliant if they were made from wet toilet paper, why isnt the elevator linkage adjustable? and where's the header tank? I could go on and on but I've already hijacked this thread enough.

I'll start a new one soon detailing the whole sorry affair and you'll see where I'm coming from.

Erm.... your talking rubbish mate, sorry!!!

• From your previous post... the Torque tube on the 600 is as durable as most and the tailfin is plenty long enough.
• Align glass canopies are good quality in terms of thickness and durability, better than most IMO
• Nobody has ever complained of spares coming in packs of two... ever!! especially as even in 2's they are cheaper than nearly all others in the market including TT
• And as for a header tank not included.... thats like saying why arent roofracks free with all cars!

if you don't like your 600 thats cool and it does have gripes loke all helis but the grounds your knocking it on are completely without justification and consistency with others findings!

[Gate88]

Sell it to me!

Sacko man I'm saving you from yourself, trust me you don't want this!

Imagine kneeling down in a feild for hours on end trying to balance ball bearings on the head of a pin whilst tearing up twenty pound notes and you're some way to what this experience is like!

I set out on this heli with a few quid in my pocket, I have my own workshop full of tools ad equipment, I am surrounded by engineering companies & fabricators who have all pitched in in one way or another, I have also had a serious Trex fanatic at my side and dispite many hours it just sits on the bench saying "You aint ever gonna make me fly Bitch!"

If you've got the resources of Nasa, Stephen Hawkings on speed dial and someone that can excorcise the evil from it then you might be able to get a reasonable hover going on, but anything less and you'll just be it's "Bitch" too!

[Gate88]

if you don't like your 600 thats cool and it does have gripes loke all helis but the grounds your knocking it on are completely without justification and consistency with others findings!

Well Mark, tomorrow it's getting everything but the kitchen sink thrown at it at the hands of yet more Trex fanatics and if it aint flying by tomorrow night after all the money and man hours spent on it it's officially a peice of s**t in my book!!!!

[Kwickkwack]

I have a Raptor Titan 50 and a 600NSP, and sure they are very different, I have the Kasama upgrades on my Titan 50 and they make a difference in the whole setup.
When I first flew my 600nsp I really wasnt sure about it, because it was so different, but after a few tanks of fuel I know prefer it to my Rappy, which I will shortly be selling as I will probably replace it with another 600.
The Rappy is easier to fly gently, the 600 is more lively and agile, bot are great helis, but not everyone will like them both.
You pays your money and takes your choice.

[Kwickkwack]

If it is as bad a you say, then auction it on here, I am sure you will have no problem selling the tickets (at the right price of course)

[DT39]

Naaaa! That'd be way too much!

I just spent 2 hours putting the new gears in that power the torque tube, I had to get the engineering place next door to make me up a rig to get the bearings onto the crown gear straight, then reassembled it. Lots of funny noises from the block so did it all again, after putting them in, taking them out putting them in taking them out, its now making a noise like a steam driven combine harvester! And all the silly little screws have stripped n tthe silly little long hexagonal bolt things.

I hate this thing so much I'd set fire to it only I havent even got enough money left to buy a box of matches!!!

Did my crown gears 3 times on my 600nsp the other week two my fault and one unlucky but i can change them in 15-20 mins with standard tools. The plastic hex posts will strip after many changes or over tightening but just get the metal replacements and job done.
There are a boat load of happy Align customers and many that are not but you have a choice and all heli kits have their problems or quirks but at the end of the day there in not another heli kit manufacture out there that will give you the value to quality ratio that Align are offering.
Heli's will also take many pounds from your wallet that's a fact.

[Mark_T]

Well Mark, tomorrow it's getting everything but the kitchen sink thrown at it at the hands of yet more Trex fanatics and if it aint flying by tomorrow night after all the money and man hours spent on it it's officially a peice of s**t in my book!!!!

Even as a confirmed Raptor fan I'd have to say that you may be going just a little over the top there

Doesn't sound like you have much wrong that couldn't be fixed by at worst a rebuild from the ground up with standard head parts.

Something to be said for dismantling and rebuilding a 2nd-hand model anyway so you know everything is as it should be rather than spending hours fighting with random build issues, but then nobody would be daft enough to waste time struggling instead of rebuilding would they ...

[sacko]

Sacko man I'm saving you from yourself, trust me you don't want this!

My offer still stands, depending on price

...and im free tonight to collect it

[snapshot]

And not one person has mentioned the Hirobo Sceadu as an alternative to both, they even have a new version out the SDX

[Mike W]

Hirobo/JR make lovely heli's but there spares come at a price and tbh alot of people in this hobby want it cheap and cheerful Have seen the SDX close up and very nice bit of kit .. or even a JR Vibe .. Align do have the parts pricing sown up over other mfrs , but there's still others out there that do decent prices on spares ... I got no issues with my 2 knights and only got the second one because I liked the first one that much and with Rappy paddles on it, it makes it nice for my style of flying ..I even sold my Raptor as they are like chalk and cheese to fly

[barney]

And not one person has mentioned the Hirobo Sceadu as an alternative to both, they even have a new version out the SDX

Well witnessed an SDX straight out of the box being put through its paces by a very talented pilot and it was a bit of a disapointment in the 3D department.

It all depends on what you want from a model. Any model with the right modifications will fly very well indeed. The limitation is generally is the Pilot.

I would go as far as to say with most models now its the choice of components that make for a more pleasurable experience.

Trex 600's have proven to me at least to be the most reliable model I have ever owned/flown to date..I've several thousand flights on two airframes..

The only in flight failures have been broken fly-bars (5 to date)..A lot of the problems are minor and with a little carefull assembly can be avoided.

Thing is a lot of people coming into the sport now have limited knowledge in the assembly department relying totally on the destructions as there piloting ability is leaps and bounds ahead of there building skills.

Often a little savy would prevent most issues.

I expressly choose to fly the Align 600 because, its cheap, no mods needed to fly well, parts everywhere, tough in the air, reliable, modern design, Torque Tube tail, CCPM, Its flys light. 2 parts in a bag of consumable parts make sense to me at least.

3hrs to change a front torue tube gear set..a bit far fetched me thinks.

The Raptor is not without its problems. I even fitted a full Kasama head and it was a disapointment..claimed no binding..LOL. I wrecked a frameset from the pulleys/belt failing, changed pinion bearings, one way bearing failures, chucked a tail grip. The Pitch tray twisted..Parts where dearer some being double the Trex. Canopys where naff, boom kept sliding in, loosning the tail belt..Still flew well but it was time to move on.