Another newbie failure!

[gazz]

I recently purchased a second hand Esky Honeybee king 2 to try and venture into the world of rc helicpoters, I have since found out that perhaps this wasnt the best idea as they are not the easiest things to learn on! As it happend I'm in no danger of crashing it as I cant even get it to come off of the ground. Ive tried everything that I can think of but nothing. I would be really helpfull if I could find out if I'm just being an idiot or there may be somthing wrong with the helicopter.

This is her.



Are there any clubs in dorset (around blandford, sturminster newton area) or members from here that would be kind enough to take a look??!!

Cheers. Gary.

[Grant85]

Firstly,welcome to RCHA mate What do you mean by it won't lift off the ground? I take it that the rotors are spinning but it won't lift?
Cheers Grant

[rchelispares]

by looks of the photo the left blade looks like it has negative pitch on it. looks angled up compared to the other one - especially since the swash is level. do you feel any air above the heli when its spinning?

[Grant85]

I was thinking the same,maybe as your increasing collective?throttle stick it's giving more negative pitch than positive.If so then your servos are moving the opposite way mate.Have you touched any of the dip switches on the back of your transmitter,I think it could be these.
Cheers Grant

[cambs flyer]

Welcome too the forum Gary

Firstly your not an idiot, the HBK's aren't the easiest machine to learn on but it's doable.

There's many factors why this is happening, possibly for the best right now, (not being harsh) as I can almost guarantee broken blades and bent parts in it's present state had you managed a launchable head speed.

The main Rota blades seem too also be at quite an acute negative pitch angle, again another thing on the to do & check list, presuming you haven't moved them by hand in that position?

One of the first things you need are training legs, just call your local RC Store (LHS) and ask for training gear & some spare small zippy ties to secure them too the skids & legs of your machine, or our local DIY store, or me, I have hundreds, just PM my your address if you'd like some, am I also right you purchased this SH, just a guess buddy, but you really need help here before you damage her or someone else.

I guess you have a Li Po charger, the trims besides the two sticks (below, inner left & right) are in the center? Again please don't let this be a green light for launch off, much Sim practice is needed before any hardware leaves the deck.

Where are you located? Have you a model shop within commuting distance, check out for any local clubs in your area, there may well be someone on the forum live locally, ideally everyone needs someone with knowledge to give them the basics & low down with what does what and how on the machine itself, plus a complete check over for loose ball links etc.

If you could offer more info on how you purchased it, what came with her, and anything else you have at hand would be useful.

Buy a cheap three cell battery voltage checker, there only around £3 and connect to the White balance connector, and will offer a rough volt read out on each of the three plates (cells) that form the Li Po Battery, most importantly never leave the batt connected as Li Po's are fragile in so much that if the voltage drops below 3.30V cell damage can occur, it's dead easy to use, plus after a charge on the assumption you have a basic balance charger for the battery you can tell us the voltage after a full charge on each cell.

As I say it's kinda a blessing she's grounded at present, as on the understanding you've never flown before it would end in disaster, unbeknown to yourself.

Don't worry we've all been there mate, but much needs to me completed before even the basics in flight are practiced, get back with as much info as you can then we can take it from there bud'.

[waveydavey]

The guys are right it does look as if the blades are well negative. The King 2 tx has a pitch and hover trim knob on it. Make sure these aren't wound down completely, they should be around centre. Have a search on the forums and you'll find a lot of info, just to prove they do fly.

honeybeeking2.wmv

Give the following link go

http://www.rcheliaddict.co.uk/beginners/24990-various-tutorials-newbies-one-place.html

[Mart61]

As far as clubs in Dorset are concerned, check the BMFA web site here:

British Model Flying Association - BMFA - Search for affiliated clubs by county

Select Dorset from the drop down menu and you'll see there are a bunch.

[acwman]

by looks of the photo the left blade looks like it has negative pitch on it. looks angled up compared to the other one - especially since the swash is level. do you feel any air above the heli when its spinning?

It maybe, but it also is the way the flybar cage is sitting(leaning).. and how the photo was taken. I can get my heli to look like that if a photo of it was taken the same way..

Need far more pictures to make any worthwhile comment... and also would be preferable for someone to have a look at it.

I am in Christchurch.. and will have a look at it if you could get it to me.

[Gav]

My office is in Shaftesbury not too far from you mate - I am in at least 2 days a week - let me know if you're about - can arrange to meet and I willl gladly take a look and help you out.

[Twisted]

Also and it does mean more spending, invest in a flight sim if you have a PC. as the long term gain is very high in knowledge and money. the only problem with sims are they dont teach you set up. you tube and the web are great tools but they are 2nd best to some one standing next to you teaching you, and you being able to ask questions, try your local rc model shop or club

[gazz]

Ive had quite a bit of practise on the rc heli master and fms, not the best in the world I'm sure but it helps with understanding the controls. The helicpoter was second hand so I cannot be sure if it was crashed or not. Something interesting I tried this evening was to hold the helicopter from the underside and run it to full power to see if I copuld feel what was going on. With the elevator ( i think thats the term!) right up the helicopter had no feeling of lift and I could certainly still feel the weight of it in my hand, yet as I brought it back down I felt it push very hard down on my hand, to the point where I turned it upside down and it felt as if it would probably fly (certainly wasnt going to risk it!!)

[helimed 81]

Sorry if this has posted twice (operator error with the computer)

I'm a newbie too, but even i can say this might not have been the wisest way to find out what was going on.

I'm sure you have seen how fast the "blades" travel, add this to a loss of grip, a sudden change in the servos or a momentary loss of concentration. Throw in a piece of the human body (any bit you like) and you've got a serious injury at best, that's going to need lots of medical attention!!!!!!

I think you need to take a couple of steps back and get some help.

If you can't wait, spend a few hours reading over the setup advice on the forum and realise that you are going to need help. Then spend just a bit more time getting that help before a trip to A&E is needed.

I know how you are feeling as i'm at the same point (dying to get that little heli up in the air) but i have got to that point that after spending £xxx on the heli you don't want to be spending +++++ £ on fixing the broken heap that might follow

[gazz]

wise comment!

[Grant85]

Ive had quite a bit of practise on the rc heli master and fms, not the best in the world I'm sure but it helps with understanding the controls. The helicpoter was second hand so I cannot be sure if it was crashed or not. Something interesting I tried this evening was to hold the helicopter from the underside and run it to full power to see if I copuld feel what was going on. With the elevator ( i think thats the term!) right up the helicopter had no feeling of lift and I could certainly still feel the weight of it in my hand, yet as I brought it back down I felt it push very hard down on my hand, to the point where I turned it upside down and it felt as if it would probably fly (certainly wasnt going to risk it!!)

Okay mate unplug the three wires from your ESC ( electronic speed controller) and when you move the throttle stick up,Which way does the swashplate move? I have an idea that it could be moving in reverse giving negative pitchi.e forcing the heliintothe ground more as you raise the throttle stick.Don't move your throttle stick with the motor plugged in for safety reasons as pointed out above.
Cheers Grant

[gazz]

the swashplate moves up