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**Balders** · 03-01-2009, 01:40 PM

If you want to learn more about non-co-ax copters, have a look at the Buzzfly or Walkera 4#3b as it is otherwise known. no-no for outdoors unless it's flat calm, but a great fun little machine...will teach you wonders about 4ch heli's (IMHO)

**Deweydaddy** · 03-01-2009, 03:35 PM

Originally posted by Ksanderz View Post

Hello everyone,
Happy New year to you all.
I have been flying (don't laugh) my Esky Lama V4 for nearly a year and I can honestly say that I really love it, a, for its simplicity and b, I don't get a lot of time to fly and I can quickly get it out for a blast.
I have even managed to fly it outside a few times, but today I flew it outside and the wind got hold of it and smashed it to the ground. To be honest it is not really built for outside flying, but I enjoy being outside, after all you can only get so high at home.
The dreaded question now is I would like another one, but which one?
I would like one that is around the same size as the Lama V4 so that I can fly it in the house, but also one that I can fly outside on a mild day. I would also like one that is a little harder to fly but not that hard to fly, if you know what I mean.
I know quite a feat, but I don't have a clue, that's why I need your knowledge and advice.
Please can anyone help?
Regards
Jeff.

Blade CX2? You can fly in the house and can handle some wind. Dewey

**Ksanderz** · 03-01-2009, 06:52 PM

Thanks for the advice, I have noticed the Blade CX2 seems to be a popular heli on this forum, is this the one you mean, CX2, what about the Blade mCX would this better?
Regards
Jeff.

**DIJ** · 03-01-2009, 06:57 PM

You can fly the CX2 outside on calm days but I would say that taking the mCX outside would be a definate no.

If your after a heli for both then I would suggest you read up on the Hirobo Quark. I don't have one yet , but from all that I have read on the forums it will tolerate light winds and is pretty crash resistant. It has polystyrene blades so its safe for indoors too, the only downside is the price.
You won't find many bad posts about this little baby.

**Kwickkwack** · 03-01-2009, 07:02 PM

Originally posted by DIJ View Post

You can fly the CX2 outside on calm days but I would say that taking the mCX outside would be a definate no.

**cjcj1949** · 03-01-2009, 10:46 PM

What could you do with your last heli? There's a big difference between indoor and outdoor. If you are definately hooked then get the Phoenix sim. Small helis are more difficult than large ones but cost more. An mcx is a good choice for indoor use because it survives minor crashes and is small enough to do figure of eights in a normal room. A cx2 needs a lot of space like a hall to fly properly and you need to be pretty good to fly it outdoors unless there is no wind. You can get a free sim like fms to give you a rough ideaof how a single rotor heliflies.

**Nipster** · 03-01-2009, 11:48 PM

I don't know if Esky are still cutting off the ends of the servo arms to allow them to fit inside the canopy (probably) but you could try new servo arms and moving the linkage out 1 or 2 holes on a complete arm...helps out of doors, xtreme motors and the xtreme inner shaft also help.

If I can find 2 servo arms, you can have them if you want to try this but you will have to cut a slot in the canopy.

Other than that - if price isn't an issue Quark +1

**cjcj1949** · 04-01-2009, 01:14 AM

The quark looks interesting as a step between coaxials and normally stable helis. It sounds as though it may be using a new class of electronic stability to make it more like a cx2 with the survivability of an mcx. Possibly worth investigation or is it just one more step to uncrashable helis with more and more electronics inside. Looks fun though. I'd like to see a vid of one flying. Hiroba say it will cope with 3m winds.

The cx2 with upgrades is another good path. My comments were about the standard cx2. The vid of the upgraded one shows it handling highwinds. Lots of people have mcxs. Whatever you do you'll have fun with it and learn.

**heliTV** · 04-01-2009, 11:09 AM

I guess the big decision is whether you want something similar to the Lama (i.e contra-rotating), or whether you want to make the step to a single rotor collective-pitch heli.

Having seen a few lamas, any contra heli is not going to perform much diferently (except perhaps the Blade mCX as its smaller and more stable). Of course, going to a CP machine is a big learning curve, but to fly outside in anything but flat calm, this is what you'll need...

The advice to get a simulator is a good one as it will give you a flavour of what the bigger ones are like. If you decide to stick with a contra, you can sell the sim for not much less than you paid for it...

For me, I progressed from a Blade CX" to a 400 and after some pain(!) and many crashes, I'm now just starting to get to grips with it - long way to go though - but ultimately more rewarding in the end I think...

Hope this helps

Graham

**Ksanderz** · 04-01-2009, 01:47 PM

Thanks for all the advice much appreciated.
I am now thinking of being greedy and going for the two, after reading such good things about both the Blade mCX and CX2.
The link I sent earlier of the CX2 is this the one everybody means? Also does anyone know if there is any difference between the Lama V4 and the CX2? It looks like the CX2 is a 5 channel, is that right?
Regards
Jeff.

**heliTV** · 04-01-2009, 01:54 PM

Originally posted by Ksanderz View Post

Thanks for all the advice much appreciated.
I am now thinking of being greedy and going for the two, after reading such good things about both the Blade mCX and CX2.
The link I sent earlier of the CX2 is this the one everybody means? Also does anyone know if there is any difference between the Lama V4 and the CX2? It looks like the CX2 is a 5 channel, is that right?
Regards
Jeff.

Hi Jeff

The link to the CX2 is the one everyone means, and its very similar to the Lama. The transmitter is 5 channel (it has a rotary control on the top) but this isn't used on the CX2!

If I were you, I'd buy the CX2 and Phoenix simulator, then see how you get on... although the mCX is more fun to fly indoors !!

**DIJ** · 04-01-2009, 03:06 PM

I feel you would probably be better off going for an mCX for indoors, as it is a lot easier to fly and so far more fun, and something other than the CX2 for outside. Maybe the Quark, or something a little larger, so that you can progress on to bigger heli's in time.

I only say this as I have both the CX2 and mCX and since buying the mCX I don't think I will be flying the CX much. The mCX is all I need for those wet and windy days, but when I fly outside I prefer to fly something bigger than the CX2.

**Ksanderz** · 04-01-2009, 03:45 PM

Helitv, I really like the sound of the CX2, although it is alot more expensive to buy, and the parts are also more expensive than the Lama V4, is it worth the extra expense?
DIJ, I know what you are saying makes sense, but buying something much harder to fly for me at the moment is not worth it. I just don't have the time to learn.
I like the CX2 because you can buy some cool upgrades, but then again you can buy some upgrades for the Lama, cheaper.
Regards
Jeff.

**DIJ** · 04-01-2009, 03:56 PM

DIJ, I know what you are saying makes sense, but buying something much harder to fly for me at the moment is not worth it. I just don't have the time to learn.
I like the CX2 because you can buy some cool upgrades,

Fair enough Ksanderz, and from what you're saying the CX2 might be your best bet for the moment, you can always try something else later on if your circumstances change.

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