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    write iv just converted my century 450gl(trex 450 se clone) to FBL Iv fitted all the genuine DFC align parts including all swash and servo linkages so its solid with no slop. Im using the cx-3x1000 is all set up 0 pitch at mid stick with swash leveler so its perfect.

    on my first flight i had mega head wobble and id set the servo arm length to 10.5mm which is 0.5mm more than recommended in the manual i dropped gain down to 25 with no difference. I then move the lincages in to 8.7mm well within recommendation and noticed the elevator arm was one one hole further out than the others but i moved them all in to 8.7 anyway (i dint want to do this as the links slightly touch the servo). This i thought had fixed it as the wobble at the piont just before lift off had gone and it hovered lovely. the second you put any kind of medium movement into the head it starts to wobble again. I nearly crashed it but managed to bring it down safe. Im a bit confused as what to do.

    when i leveled the swash i fitted the 3x linkage rods all the the right length according to the trex manual with brand new links measured with calipers and triple checked. fitted the arms all at 90 degrees to the swash(so horizontal) with the heli set at 0 pitch on throttle hold. but to get it level two servos sit level and one is up pointing up about 20 degrees more than the others(right hand side one looking at the tail towards me. its the one with the longest link. My thoughs are would the arm all ready being half way up alter the gyros ability to accurately correct the flight

    tower pro mg90s servos on cylic(i know they arnt the best but i got them from a genuine source) and there are plenty of people getting on just fine with them with advance 3d.

    sorry to go on so much but i wanted to answer all queastion before they are asked i will upload pictures soon if needed
    This hobby is so dam addictive

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  • #2
    servos are too slow. They cannot keep up with the inputs from the fbl controller. And possibly head speed too low. DFC MUST have high headspeeds
    Some say my left nipple is the shape of a Raptor canopy.......... And that for fun I chase sheep in wellies 3 sizes too big. All I know is I am ​3D Clod
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    • #3
      thank you for reply head speed may be the problem il try that. Allthough i know these servos are pushing on the edge of being inadequate iv seen the same setup fly amazingly.
      This hobby is so dam addictive

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      • #4
        Id always OVER servo a flybarless setup than risk it with sub £10 analogue ones. I too have seen cheap servos fly amazing, but how much of that is the pilot compensating for them??

        Dont wish to offend but I reckon your a relative newbie, so imo any advantage you can gain thru better servos, better FBL unit etc you should take with both hands. When you are super experienced you will be able to make a lesser setup do what you want, but whilst your learning a better specc'd setup will help you loads.
        Some say my left nipple is the shape of a Raptor canopy.......... And that for fun I chase sheep in wellies 3 sizes too big. All I know is I am ​3D Clod
        Very proud to be a Presenter on ROTORS! The RC Helicopter show


        Very proud to be a 2x EGS winner

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        • #5
          Yes i am new only been flying for 10weeks since me buying the 450gl. I got a mcpxbl to try more ambisious manuvous with and lots of time on phoenix. Im pretty confident flyer so far can manage a near perfect hover i can do figue 8s (slighlty messy ones) i am close to mastering all upright orientation and i can quite easyily complete small and large rolls . and flips im just learning to fly backward at the mo.

          But yes ur right im a newbie lol. I moved on to this from one of my 1/8 buggy racing pals selling me the copter. and caught the bug instantly. Im the first one so say to people when they turn up with and RTR chuck them servos and get something thats got some torque (they always say um well these will do for now) then let them have a go with my nice savox 20kg ones and it still turning the wheels with my foot on it and it usualy convinces them. they still never get them tho and complain there cars dont handle.
          This hobby is so dam addictive

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          • #6
            I used to race 8th buggies n truggies too! Its a small world LOL
            Some say my left nipple is the shape of a Raptor canopy.......... And that for fun I chase sheep in wellies 3 sizes too big. All I know is I am ​3D Clod
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            • #7
              if the fbl unit has the adjustments in its set up you can set it for slower anolgue servos
              i've done it with a skookum sk360 and it worked well and then i fitted faster digi servos
              the problem sounds head speed related with the hard damping of the dfc head
              you may be able to alter the set up in the fbl unit to reduce the wobble
              first of all increase the head speed
              and see how it performs
              better servos will improve the fbl units performance
              make sure the head is in balance and that the heli isn't vibrating as this will affect the fbl unit
              add a second layer of mounting tape to the unit to help with and vibrations
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              • #8
                The servos aren't too slow at all. I've run them fine on a 450 with a Tarot ZYX system (which is the same as the CX thingy) and with a BeastX.

                Trouble with the Tarot ZYX is that there are just so many settings you need to get right. When and if you do get them right its a real good unit. - But I never had the patience :-)
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                • #9
                  I quit tried all solutions. double tape on gyro, head speed at full, aligned up my servo arm so was all at 90 degrees at 0 pitch.

                  took it up still wobble there but so the point i could fix it with gain values and the F***ING shake snaped a servo arm slam ARRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR
                  This hobby is so dam addictive

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                  • #10
                    I hate to say it mate, but a low quality cheap fbl unit coupled with sub par servos is only gonna end one way. If you can find a Fu-Bar or a 2nd hand 3GX (Updated to v3.1) and get some reasonable quality digital servos, im pretty sure that wobble wont exist!
                    Some say my left nipple is the shape of a Raptor canopy.......... And that for fun I chase sheep in wellies 3 sizes too big. All I know is I am ​3D Clod
                    Very proud to be a Presenter on ROTORS! The RC Helicopter show


                    Very proud to be a 2x EGS winner

                    Collector of SAB Goblins

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                    • #11
                      thats providing all the shafts are straight
                      Hirobo Turbulence D3
                      a bunch of bls servo's and a 701 gyro
                      Powered by an OS91 hz and a MP2
                      Winner of the LHC Scale Cup 2011

                      1/4 scale Vario Bell 47 G3
                      1/3 scale Vario R22
                      2012 LHC Scale Cup Judge
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                      www.alcesterhelicopterclub.bmfa.org
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                      • #12
                        all the shaft where brand new
                        This hobby is so dam addictive

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                        • #13
                          Originally posted by electricsceadu View Post
                          thats providing all the shafts are straight
                          Good point.

                          The shakes with that FBL unit are (providing the thing is mechanically ok) entirely due to cyclic gain settings.

                          I'll repeat what I said earlier, they CAN be set up to fly well but for me was too much hassle. I switched to BeastX and never looked back.

                          I suspect though there are other issues with your heli though.
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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by davew View Post
                            Good point.

                            The shakes with that FBL unit are (providing the thing is mechanically ok) entirely due to cyclic gain settings.

                            I'll repeat what I said earlier, they CAN be set up to fly well but for me was too much hassle. I switched to BeastX and never looked back.

                            I suspect though there are other issues with your heli though.
                            ye its in bits all over the floor lol
                            This hobby is so dam addictive

                            Trex 600n PRO RJX head with BeastX
                            Trex 450 PRO
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                            Nano QX quad(ACE)
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