Turnigy FBL controller

[AcidDrink]

Well, this is getting political and bit off topic, but interesting discussion nonetheless.
I don't buy knockoffs myself, this hobby or not. Chances that I'll buy this fbl controller are next to zero.
The problem is easily solved; we need to stop outsourcing manufacturing to Far East and stop giving away blueprints and manufacturing processes. Then western civilization fails in a couple of years due to microwaves, mobile phones and trainer prices going up 600%.

[ChrisB]

There is a lot more to a helicopter than a propeller on a stick. You can really say that the person who was "throwing a popcorn can lid" (using Frisbee inventor's own words) has invented future transportation via flying saucer. IMO what makes a helicopter tick is the swashplate and for me the person who invented the swashplate and had the idea of controlling blade pitch as it travels around is the person who solved the problem, thus the person who brought us the helicopter.



My point was not specifically about flybar or flybarless. I was talking about innovation in areas of the hobby. Spektrum brought us the first 2.4GHz radios, the Chinese tapped in their success and made clone receivers. They copied ECSs, gyros, fbl, helicopters, you name it. It all these other companies weren't there would the Chinese ever given us 2.4GHz, decent gyros and fbl system or an ESC with a decent governor?

And our hobby is just a drop in the ocean. Big companies close down in Europe and thousands of people lose their jobs because of anti-competitive practices from China. You may have heard during the last week or two about the EU proposing a 47% import duty on Chinese solar panels to even out competition or about the Chinese government falsely devaluing their currency to take business away from other economies. All they care about is their GDP. If thy were serious about intellectual property they wouldn't be exporting half the stuff they do now.

-Angelos

Pah,what a load of tosh,if half of these Western countries didnt outsource their production to China to benefit from the cheap labour in the first place,the problem wouldnt be so bad,you reap what you sew so deal with the consequences.

[p4ddy]

Pah,what a load of tosh,if half of these Western countries didnt outsource their production to China to benefit from the cheap labour in the first place,the problem wouldnt be so bad,you reap what you sew so deal with the consequences.

Have you been doing the ouiji board & managed to contact Tosh? I think he's possessed you mate LOL

[p4ddy]

My point was not specifically about flybar or flybarless.
-Angelos

I know but it was a good example & as I'm pro flybar I thought appropriate

[p4ddy]

There's a reason for that

Because you've all got lazy Am I correct in saying that FBL takes away the finer corrections to fly?? If so than IMO flying flybarred makes you a better pilot as in someone who's always flown FBL wont have that instinctive feel to make teeny correction to keep it solid. So say a low inverted slow pirouette will take more skill flybarred than FBL. If i'm wrong then ok.

[Dan22]

Turnigy FBL controller

I've been flying 'FBL only' for a while now and have just built a FB electric raptor. It flys great, the one thing I noticed is that you have to really fly it and make small corrections which the FBL takes away. As I've said before, for nice smooth banked turns etc give me a FB Heli any day! But for me the FBL wins over on 3D manoeuvres for its pin point accuracy

Dan.

[waveydavey]

Because you've all got lazy Am I correct in saying that FBL takes away the finer corrections to fly?? If so than IMO flying flybarred makes you a better pilot as in someone who's always flown FBL wont have that instinctive feel to make teeny correction to keep it solid. So say a low inverted slow pirouette will take more skill flybarred than FBL. If i'm wrong then ok.

I don't know paddy, I don't think it takes away the corrections that you have to make but It certainly helps with your confidence in flying. I think it helps progression as you can concentrate on the manoeuvre as the cyclic input is pure. I prefer the locked in feel definitely over a fly barred machine just as you prefer the locked in feel of an hh gyro rather than a rate one. Lets not forget though that the flybar is a mechanical gyro and hence an SAS all on its own, it's got no wires going to it ad you don't have to program it, actually that wrong you can program it you just do it with paddle weight, fly at length etc Does a fly at make you a better pilot? Don't know I think that one comes down to the individual and not whether its got flappy paddles or a box of tricks

[tomatwalden]

Chinese invented helicopters. Just saying

Don't know where you got that idea from? Really, they weren't invented, they were developed in the early 20th century by a whole bunch of different people who worked out the physics of phase lag, cyclic pitch, CCPM, anti-torque, etc. etc. etc. The list goes on.

If anything, I believe that a large proportion of the innovation came from the Soviet states (ie. Mr Sikorsky), although obviously the names Bell and Hiller figure quite highly in the development of the modern helicopter ...

[pgkevet]

It's turning into a political discussion. The problem with western politics is that it's all short-term fixes to stay in 'power' whereas the chinese have a lot more long-term patience.
The idea of bringing them into the western mode of capitalism rather than there isolated state might have seemd a good idea at the time but it's been obviosu for decade that they play the game better.
Cheap labour is available elsewhere without those countries making the same massive inroads that the chinese have.
Yes they're making money out of knock-offs but that's because it's easy to do..and they do it well. But at the aame time they are investing heavily in africannations that we claim to avoid because it's not politically correct to do so.
Slowly the chinese will buy up large amounts of the west - from manufacturing plants and factories to land itself.
Don't go away with the idea that they can't innovate or make unique stuff... you'll see that soon enough when they have built more universities than we have with their foreign exchange, cherry picked the west's knowedge and then leap ahead... but leap ahead locking us out.

[Angelos]

Pah,what a load of tosh,if half of these Western countries didnt outsource their production to China to benefit from the cheap labour in the first place,the problem wouldnt be so bad,you reap what you sew so deal with the consequences.

Chinese labor it isn't cheap, it's criminally underpaid. And how would outsourcing the production to China help the 70,000 solar panel workers in Germany (according to BBC News) and more in other EU countries? And the issue isn't there with solar panels only. The more your outsource the less jobs there are in your local economy. Manufacturing gets outsourced, telephone centers get outsourced, advertising companies outsource artwork design, etc. Outsourcing helps the shareholders of the company but reduces the benefit to the local economy.

-Angelos

[p4ddy]

I don't know paddy, I don't think it takes away the corrections that you have to make but It certainly helps with your confidence in flying. I think it helps progression as you can concentrate on the manoeuvre as the cyclic input is pure. I prefer the locked in feel definitely over a fly barred machine just as you prefer the locked in feel of an hh gyro rather than a rate one. Lets not forget though that the flybar is a mechanical gyro and hence an SAS all on its own, it's got no wires going to it ad you don't have to program it, actually that wrong you can program it you just do it with paddle weight, fly at length etc Does a fly at make you a better pilot? Don't know I think that one comes down to the individual and not whether its got flappy paddles or a box of tricks

I have to justify being a flybar fanboy though As said before one day i'll spend some time with a FBL model & not just a few moments before I crash it lol. Who knows maybe i'll like it? I don't like being forced into something though which I feel is slowly happening unfortunately like flybars for my Logo are drying up. Still I reckon others will fit.

[waveydavey]

Well it arrived this morning much to my surprise, so much for snail mail, 1 week, well just over. A few pics,well packaged, nice manual with a few smelling mistakes, looking at the quick setup guide it defo looks like BeastX V1. I'll take a look with the dongle and see what is reported back. I'll install tonight/tomorrow and see what happens Saturday but all in all it looks okay

Nice looking little unit, just a shade bigger than the original unit.




Lovely Box

[waveydavey]

Well the setup was painless and it is indeed BeastX V1 firmware. I will confirm this once I get the dongle on it but the setup is pure V1. I forgot how painless the BeastX setup really is, whistled through it in about 15mins.

[waveydavey]

Ready for maiden tomorrow, hopefully it performs well enough to keep the 600 in the air for at least a few flight tests and a few pics. Just done the full setup and set 0 degrees etc and its ready to go

[Pabs]

Turnigy FBL controller

Good stuff, let us know how you get on