The boot is on the other foot!

[Angelos]

A Blue mini v retaining 67% of its value when it could be 3 years old,yes please,much better than a 28% loss on something barely out of nappies.

Sorry but wouldn't you have paid £240+30 for that mini vbar 3 years ago? Making it just 50% resale value? I think its fair to say that any RC product will only fetch 80% the moment you take it out of the shop and 60-70% once box is opened. RC electronics don't tent to devalue much afterworks so long they remain the current production model. Things that wear out like servos, engines, airframes only fetch 50% or less depending on condition.

-Angelos

[Gixxer]

I never look at anything I buy in this hobby as an investment. I look at it as lost money and never expect to recoup a single penny of it, but if I do, it's a bonus... It's the nature of the hobby.

I also love it when new models hit the shelves. It means I can buy the old model for peanuts when people rush out to buy the latest and greatest... which, for many, is also the nature of the hobby.

P.S. I'll be buying a Vortex when I get a few quid spare, as I have faith in Angelos sorting the firmware.

[pgkevet]

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I also love it when new models hit the shelves. It means I can buy the old model for peanuts when people rush out to buy the latest and greatest... which, for many, is also the nature of the hobby.

Ditto. Let someone else have all the teething problems.

[RcRotaryMadness]

If you fly regularly.. Return in investment is around 0 to -100% depending how bad the crashes are lol.

I think the vortex will offer top performance at a very attainable price but as already said, the overall cost of these fbl units have come down considerably over the last few years and also the choice of units has grown too.. various vbars, vortex, beastx, 3g units, sk, barvarian devil and all the chinese spin offs.

Theres something for everyone at the FBL Party lol

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[waveydavey]

The only things I buy as an investments are spares that on my old unfashionable helis will go out of stock. So with my little stockpile I know I will keep flying

[r4nd0m]

Sorry but wouldn't you have paid £240+30 for that mini vbar 3 years ago? Making it just 50% resale value? I think its fair to say that any RC product will only fetch 80% the moment you take it out of the shop and 60-70% once box is opened. RC electronics don't tent to devalue much afterworks so long they remain the current production model. Things that wear out like servos, engines, airframes only fetch 50% or less depending on condition.

-Angelos

I think its the current nature of people not accepting value of a product, I bought a Macbook a few weeks back and tried to sell it on due not liking the keyboard layout. I paid £1449 and used for less than 2 weeks and people were offering me £900 for it ... ridiculous ...

[Andy from Sandy]

Unfortunately this link is now removed

Spartan RC

It explains pretty much my frustration.

I bought a Macbook a few weeks back and tried to sell it on due not liking the keyboard layout.

If when you purchased it you asked if there was going to be a different keyboard layout and was told that what you see is all you will ever get then that was your decision for purchase. Now you go to the Apple shop and see the keyboard you were told would never be made how would you feel toward Apple?

[George J]

If when you purchased it you asked if there was going to be a different keyboard layout and was told that what you see is all you will ever get then that was your decision for purchase. Now you go to the Apple shop and see the keyboard you were told would never be made how would you feel toward Apple?


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Would anyone actually believe that though Andy? Technology moves on and you buy something because you're happy with the product and the price on the day. It's just tough if something better comes out after you've bought it.

[jimmyhorns]

Grrrr

When will people learn to accept that something is worth only as much as someone else is willing to pay for it at that precise moment, irrespective of the current or past retail prices.

If demand for Vbars drops off, then the price will too. Likewise for Vx1's or Vx1n's, and even Macbooks.

It really isnt worth getting frustrated about. If you dont like the offer that is made for your secondhand goods, dont accept it, but dont moan if it doesnt sell.

[Gixxer]

Would anyone actually believe that though Andy? Technology moves on and you buy something because you're happy with the product and the price on the day. It's just tough if something better comes out after you've bought it.

Exactly... you can't expect a manufacturer to down tools and fix prices for a few years just because you bought one of their products.

And using Apple is a very bad example... Apple add a useless feature or two to an existing phone, then add an S to the name and release it as a new model, and people still rush out to buy it.

The OP was obviously happy with the VX1 when he bought it and it's still roughly the same price, so I don't see the issue here, and if it's because it was stated on the Spartan website that they wouldn't be producing a FBL unit without a remote sensor... These things happen, get over it.... market forces dictate what gets produced and if Angelos realised that it was a case of either producing an all in one, compact unit, or losing that sector of the flybarless market, then what do you think he should have done?

I honestly don't see why anyone would have a problem with the VX1n getting released at its price point. Surely it's a step in the right direction?

[waveydavey]

In fairness I can empathise with Andys point and frustration. He bought the original VX1 at full price without the intention of selling it, it dodn't work out and he preferred to return to the V Bar. At the time everyone was told there were no plans for a mini VX1. Unfortunately that turned out to be untrue and the VX1n was launched at a very cut down price (Angelos business absolutely), essentially removing any chance of selling the VX1 at a reasonable second hand price.

I would stick it in the cupboard Andy, buy a V Bar or whatever and then when the VX1 does get sorted then maybe the prices will lift a bit. I can't see them changing radically though as the VX1n is better value.

Just read your post Gixxer and you're right releasing a high end unit at the price they have is good for us, definitely.

[Andy from Sandy]

Grrrr

When will people learn to accept that something is worth only as much as someone else is willing to pay for it at that precise moment, irrespective of the current or past retail prices.

If demand for Vbars drops off, then the price will too. Likewise for Vx1's or Vx1n's, and even Macbooks.

It really isnt worth getting frustrated about. If you dont like the offer that is made for your secondhand goods, dont accept it, but dont moan if it doesnt sell.

I totally agree with you. As I am not trying to sell anything no offending offers have been made.

I honestly don't see why anyone would have a problem with the VX1n getting released at its price point. Surely it's a step in the right direction?

Absolutely. Again I agree totally. With everything I buy especially computer equipment you know you have to just look the other way when it comes to what the next thing costs because it is usually alot less. That part I have no problem with at all. It is the content of what is in the document that has now been removed from the Spartan website.

[r4nd0m]

If when you purchased it you asked if there was going to be a different keyboard layout and was told that what you see is all you will ever get then that was your decision for purchase. Now you go to the Apple shop and see the keyboard you were told would never be made how would you feel toward Apple?

looool - no but I thought I could deal with the GB-UK keyboard, unfortunately it has a negative impact on my productivity, so I would have returned it - stupid unopened change you mind policy - at apple not an issue ... but that wasnt the point I was making but what people expect being reasonable ... supply and demand ... anyways ...

In fairness I can empathise with Andys point and frustration. He bought the original VX1 at full price without the intention of selling it, it dodn't work out and he preferred to return to the V Bar.

When we last spoke at MK you were telling me how nice that Vortex worked on your Logo. Perhaps that would be a good starting point to make a sale.

UHM??

[Angelos]

[...] With everything I buy especially computer equipment you know you have to just look the other way when it comes to what the next thing costs because it is usually alot less. That part I have no problem with at all. It is the content of what is in the document that has now been removed from the Spartan website.[/COLOR]

The topic was removed because it was no longer relevant. Some of it technical content will be moved to a new topic in due course. But I have re-enabled it for a day for the purpose of this discussion because I can't see what's in there that makes you upset. In contrast actually it predicts a single unit which honestly I hadn't even considered until several months after the topic was written.

Spartan RC

-Angelos

[waveydavey]

Sev, Andy wanted to swap the Vortex for V Bar in order to keep to one FBL system. It should have read "didn't work out" not dodn't work out Whatever the reason thats Andys business and you digging and pointing out any inconsistency isn't exactly helping the original point.