The boot is on the other foot!

[Andy from Sandy]

I am sure it didn't go unnoticed that a few mini v-bars came up for sale recently all priced around £135.

I suspect some of these are from those who have taken Angelos's shilling and so are not allowed to fly any other fbl unit.

So if the VX1n with its superior sensors can sell for £130 I reckon that puts the mini v at less than £100 second hand.

I just don't see how the second hand asking price of a mini v-bar can be the same as the VX1n's price new. It also begs the question why would you pay £170 plus the pro upgrade price for a mini v when you can get a VX1n with datapod and I suspect this is the business plan of Spartan at present.

The boot is on the other foot believing the mini v can command such a high price whilst the VX1n is selling for what it is new right now. Or to be slightly more controversial it is a bit rich to try and sell your old investment for what your new investment will cost the rest of us new.

Finally Tommy you are going to be very lucky to get £40 for a new datapod when they are £25 with a vx1 but that is just my opinion.

[Gixxer]

It's supply and demand 101... more people want the Vbar, that's why it demands a better second hand price but Angelos has applied a business model, whereby he's making a fraction of the profit on the VX1n that Mikado are making on the Vbar. My guess is that he did this to try to persuade people to move away from the Vbar. It would be the logical thing to do.
I understand why you're p1ssed that the mini Vbar is worth more than the Vortex but these things happen, and I'm also sure the Vortex will be a great bit of kit once the firmware is sorted, so if I was you I'd hold on to it.

[r4nd0m]

I am sure it didn't go unnoticed that a few mini v-bars came up for sale recently all priced around £135.

and luckily I got one of them

I suspect some of these are from those who have taken Angelos's shilling and so are not allowed to fly any other fbl unit.

and it doesnt matter where they come from, at least to me

So if the VX1n with its superior sensors can sell for £130 I reckon that puts the mini v at less than £100 second hand.

Mini-Vbar Express new £169,- at fastlad - so thats 199 including the pro upgrade - £70 off is a reasonable price for a proven and known system to me ...

I just don't see how the second hand asking price of a mini v-bar can be the same as the VX1n's price new. It also begs the question why would you pay £170 plus the pro upgrade price for a mini v when you can get a VX1n with datapod and I suspect this is the business plan of Spartan at present.

it is known for years that its not only supply and demand that dictates the prices - see the diamonds and water discussion

Finally Tommy you are going to be very lucky to get £40 for a new datapod when they are £25 with a vx1 but that is just my opinion.

I dont get your frustration Andy, but I wouldnt be amused if you were trying to drive my price down ... just give your honest opinion that you are unhappy about the current prices and values of vbars and get over it ...

[Guest]

Sometimes you can just read in to stuff too much. Supply and demand. Regardless of the promo price on the VX1N some will stick to what they know so in some cases vbars. If you want a pro min £140 is reasonable given new would cost over £200. The vx1n will hammer its own full size price and given the tech is the same why buy one unless you need to remotely locate the sensor.

MJ

[cupracing]

Does that mean I get a £35 refund from you Andy?

[George J]

Sorry Andy but don't see how you can compare price for price, it's not the same product. It achieves the same thing but isn't the same either way and people will like one or the other depending on what works for them. Some will pay the extra for a vbar, me included, because they like it or have tried VX1 and prefer vbar, there's a few of those as we know. You could argue that why would you buy a VX1 when you can buy a 3GX for less than a round of drinks, both work?! (ok, admittedly you probably wouldn't do that!)

Having watched a VX1 being flown the other day with 'out of the box' settings, first flight, it was not good and in the hands of a less experienced pilot that heli would have almost certainly been in the ground, a roll that carried on another 180 degrees etc, amongst other things, would have caught a few people out for sure.
I of course know that VX1 set up well is very good but the start settings for me need some work.

I guess this will turn into a vbar vs VX1 thread........

[Andy from Sandy]

just give your honest opinion that you are unhappy about the current prices and values of vbars and get over it ...

That is a bit rude. I own mini v-bars and long may the prices stay as high as they do should I ever want to sell them.

If you want a pro min £140 is reasonable given new would cost over £200.

I agree with you.

[r4nd0m]

That is a bit rude. I own mini v-bars and long may the prices stay as high as they do should I ever want to sell them.

well, I didnt meant to be rude but isnt it the second or third thread you started breaking the same vbar vs vortex discussion? and I believe there is a reason for it, may it be that you want to swap you vortex for a vbar and couldnt manage to get it sorted or anything else ...

I personally think that the market makes the prices and you either take it or leave it - see how many posts are in the sales section where people constantly bump their threads as it seems they cant get the price right to attract people to buy the item, let alone if the item actually is marginally worth more than the current prices offered ...

[Andy from Sandy]

The answer is already in this thread. I don't actually see for one minute that people who own a Vortex stand a hope in hell of getting a reasonable second hand price for it but you can sell v-bars second hand all day long.

Even if I hate v-bars and love the vortex by doing the swap I will have the product that sells well second hand.

[Gixxer]

If you want a pro min £140 is reasonable given new would cost over £200.

I agree with you.

But...

So if the VX1n with its superior sensors can sell for £130 I reckon that puts the mini v at less than £100 second hand.

So if you agree that the mini V-Bar is worth £140 second hand, then I guess your argument is that Angelos is selling the VX1n too cheap? Correct me if I'm wrong but isn't that his decision to make?

[ChrisB]

You get what you pay for,that low new price of the red thing speaks volumes to me.I will keep my Blue boxes ta very much

I would happily pay £130 for a Mini V with pro installed if i needed to get one and say £195 for a Silverline.

[Andy from Sandy]

To spell it out as I see it those that are having to sell their v-bars are placing a higher value on the v-bar than the unit they have purchased to replace it even though in theory it is an inferior product based on the sensors it uses.

[r4nd0m]

The answer is already in this thread. I don't actually see for one minute that people who own a Vortex stand a hope in hell of getting a reasonable second hand price for it but you can sell v-bars second hand all day long.

Even if I hate v-bars and love the vortex by doing the swap I will have the product that sells well second hand.

well and I think this is where the distance selling regulation comes in handy, if you cant get it right within 2 weeks, return it - else its a keeper ... I never purchased a bit thinking of its resale value to be honest, I bought it because I was pleased/impressed with the product ...

[Andy from Sandy]

I never purchased a bit thinking of its resale value to be honest, I bought it because I was pleased/impressed with the product ...

No but it will be ironic if the asking price of the second hand v-bar is not achieved because the price is suppressed by the unit they purchased to replace it.

[Gixxer]

To spell it out as I see it those that are having to sell their v-bars are placing a higher value on the v-bar than the unit they have purchased to replace it even though in theory it is an inferior product based on the sensors it uses.

So Angelos has given people the option to either buy the VX1n or a second hand mini V-Bar for the same price... I think that's an excellent business model and it would be a no brainer if I was in the market for a top end FBL system.