New JRX9303 2.4 Gig - legal power in UK or not???

[raptorheli2]

the problem is if these are legal or not, not if you can fly them till they are a dot or if they are better than 35mhz. horizon have issued a bulletin. i will call them about my dx7 and that will do me. if they then say it's ok then i'm happy. this is all about liability and a major **** up by the authorities here it would seem.

i will call horizon this afternoon when i get aminute and report back what they want me to do with my radio as it's a first batch one.

cheers

[Rick Rotorhead]

Yeah, the point of my concern and this post was that if for any reason you are flying a non-legal system, then thats all the insurers need as a get out clause - leaving you uninsured and possibly banned from using the equipment at you local club for that very reason.

I really wanted an x9303, but now I realise that I could set myself up with a whole heap of trouble and maybe not be allowed to use it. Maybe I should just ground my Rexy until the DSX9 emerges over here, probably months - thats a sad thought. However, I simply can't afford to keep buying loads of radio equipment as a stop gap measure. I'm happy to use a DX7...... but then I'll have to sell the Tx at some loss when the DSX9 comes out!

[SRH990]

A guy I know is a member of the LMA and had one of the first DX7's into the UK. This was ground range checked on an airfield runway and got just over 1.5miles ground range at full power, if there hasn't been any reduction in power output since then thats plenty for my poor eyes.

[marktigere1]

Rick

What about a Futaba 6EX 2.4?

Inwoods do them with a RX for £119.

Might be good enough for the Trex and at that price you could keep it as a Trex tranny and then buy the JR later.

Seems a shame to ground the little Trex for a long time.

Just a thought.

Cheers

Mark

[Sesame]

I really wanted an x9303, but now I realise that I could set myself up with a whole heap of trouble and maybe not be allowed to use it. Maybe I should just ground my Rexy until the DSX9 emerges over here, probably months - thats a sad thought. However, I simply can't afford to keep buying loads of radio equipment as a stop gap measure. I'm happy to use a DX7...... but then I'll have to sell the Tx at some loss when the DSX9 comes out!

I can fully sympathise with your point of view, my son has just passed his Plank A and I would now like to put everything on 2.4 but im loathed to go buy another DX7 with the other radios hopefully being put on the market soon. but its either that or split 2.4/35. in your position however I would way up the number of radio related crashes I could muster in the time between now and when the new radios are released. for me the decision was easy after the 3rd lockout on my 450 causing yet more damage to it I decided its got to be cheeper to buy the DX7 than to keep pushing with 35. so far not a single radio related crash, I do them quite well on my own.

actually one crash was the radios fault, stoopid thing didnt turn on its idleup automatically as I went inverted

[Bubblefish777]

as a cynically old sod....having read this I couldn't help but compare this to a lot of other technogical fluff that goes around regarding phones, psp's etc. etc.
The long and the short of it is 'don't buy american items then import them please because although it saves you lots of money it costs us so we've invented the technology bogey man to get you !!!!!'

seriously which half witted manufacturer makes an item compatible for only one market in the US if not for any other reason than to screw the punter ? You would have thought they have looked at regs on a world wide basis, picked a system that would work for 95% of the market place then built it to ensure scale of economy. So lets imagine they did that.... how do we make the UK (Known in the car trade, jewllery trade, whiskey and alcohol, gun trade and in fact almost every trade as 'The big dumb golden goose' pay more than everyone else ? Make some old bollox up or stick a firmware or toggle switch in there to make life as difficult as possible to import the item.

After all ... what other reason is there for region 1/2 etc. on DvD's etc. etc. ???? UK is one of the biggest if not THE biggest profit region in the world.. I imagine board meetings at Spektrum were headed 'Bend over and say ahhh...' when they were discussing USA v UK pricing.

I get grumpy everytime I see reason why we should not import cars, guns, alcohol, (transmitters) etc etc when it would save us money.

[Sesame]

I recon after having spoken to a few people there is going to be a minimum wait of 6 months before the JR badged product is released in the UK. frm what ive been told they are going to have to be adjusted to meet EU criteria then they are going to have to be type approved to get CE approval, that alone could take 6 months then stocks have to be built and imported then finally distributed.

so I made my decision and ive ordered a 2nd DX7 I think I got it at a bargain price. so if anyone is interested in a Futaba FF9 and some receivers let me know i'm keeping my FF7 for use on pheonix

[ChrisB]

as a cynically old sod....having read this I couldn't help but compare this to a lot of other technogical fluff that goes around regarding phones, psp's etc. etc.
The long and the short of it is 'don't buy american items then import them please because although it saves you lots of money it costs us so we've invented the technology bogey man to get you !!!!!'

seriously which half witted manufacturer makes an item compatible for only one market in the US if not for any other reason than to screw the punter ? You would have thought they have looked at regs on a world wide basis, picked a system that would work for 95% of the market place then built it to ensure scale of economy. So lets imagine they did that.... how do we make the UK (Known in the car trade, jewllery trade, whiskey and alcohol, gun trade and in fact almost every trade as 'The big dumb golden goose' pay more than everyone else ? Make some old bollox up or stick a firmware or toggle switch in there to make life as difficult as possible to import the item.

After all ... what other reason is there for region 1/2 etc. on DvD's etc. etc. ???? UK is one of the biggest if not THE biggest profit region in the world.. I imagine board meetings at Spektrum were headed 'Bend over and say ahhh...' when they were discussing USA v UK pricing.

I get grumpy everytime I see reason why we should not import cars, guns, alcohol, (transmitters) etc etc when it would save us money.

I 100% agree with every bit of that,my DX7 is UK purchased and the authorities can go swivel if there is a problem emerging 9 months after i bought it...



just read this on Horizons Uk site

DX7 POWER OUTPUT LEVELS: US vs. EU

Some Spektrum DX7 transmitters and manuals sold to US retailers may have been mislabeled regarding compliance with European Union broadcast regulations. DX7 transmitters that are sold for use in the US exceed the power limits in place in the European Union(EU). Updates are being made to remove this icon from units and manuals that do not meet these standards. If you are an EU consumer and have purchased a radio from a retailer outside the EU prior to this notice and you suspect that your DX7 does not comply with these regulations, contact Horizon Hobby UK’s service centre. If necessary, we will arrange for the re-programming of your radio to the correct EC specification.


Dont apply to me then

[raptorheli2]

I 100% agree with every bit of that,my DX7 is UK purchased and the authorities can go swivel if there is a problem emerging 9 months after i bought it...

chris, that is fairly typical attitude i think and the one the majority will adopt....BUT.....what happens if someone has an accident and the sets incorrect? who is to blame?

i never got time to phone them but i'm told that they have worded the bulletin in a way as not to alarm people for lack of a better term and infact if you call they will want your radio back for a service......again i can't confirm this as i never got time to call.

i just want to make sure i'm flying safely and covered by insurance should the unthinkable happen like the 5 year old kids heli going into a crowd only this week.

cheers

[J3DI]

So we can't fly US spec stuff for fear of voiding our BMFA insurance, then does this mean that US pilots coming here for 3D Masters, etc, will have to ditch their US gear and switch to UK spec gear during their visit?

[raptorheli2]

they have already had to contend with this due to the fact the 14mz is not able to be region changed so arrangements will be made to provide them with radios/modules or whatever the case may be. i assume this will be no different and someone will either adapt their own radio or provide an alternative...HOWEVER, i'm not sure how the big events are insured as i assume the entrants don't all pay for bmfa membership to be unsured.....someone might know this.

i'm going to call horizon uk today and i will post back what they want me to do with my radio i bought from inwood models.

cheers

[moyesboy]

Your item is a UK purchased item with a CE sticker on it is it not?
Then it complies with EU regulations and is BMFA approved legal - tat is what the Horizon notice implies.

Let us know if Horizon tell you anything different.

[raptorheli2]

moyes, your missing the point here. the early systems they think were marked incorrectly and there for will be approved but doesn't mean they are ok. the rumbles are the sets were the same until they realised this which was a good few months..... this is what i want to clarify.

i'm not at home just now to get a serial number off the set when i think of it, can anyone advise where it is and i'll get the mrs to get me the number?

cheers

[Sesame]

The difference is if an American pilot flies over here in England then he is probably covered under his own insurance which would probably allow for the use of his native equipment.

Infact if you think about it if he used an English set which is down on output power, his insurance company could use the reasoning that if something happened it may be down to the reduced power of the transmiter thereby invalidating his insurance cover. lol I should work for an insurance company.

[raptorheli2]

i'm not sure the insurance travels.

however, IF this spectrum problem with power bears fruit then it won't be legal to use here....no matter the underwriter....be interesting to know if that is the case though.

cheers