Futaba 10C from JR eyes...

[mchristyuk]

Ashley,

Agreed totally.

I used to fly Junk Radios and used to have fun with the guys at the field who flew Splateraba sets.. however truth be told the only time I've seen proper failures with either system it was down to human error somewhere in the link.

I have never had a single problem with all the JR, Spektrum and Futaba sets I've had or used.. they are all good.

If they had half the problems that some want to suggest then the companies wouldn't be in business..

I think the DSX9 and the PCM12x are great radios.. and there is no question over the reliability of their RF link.

It makes me laugh listening to people try and make out that the FASST frequency hopping system is more reliable or better/safer than the DSM2 non hopping system or vice/versa as if they actually know what they are talking about. If you've ever shared even 5 minutes with Paul Beard you know the guy is an absolute genius and made the decisions he did from a far more educated position than others believe they have.

The bottom line is technically both have slight merits and faults over the other.. but they both just work.. simple as.. and as far as I'm concerend I just want things to work.. I don't care how they work.. I just want them to work.

Maybe thats why I have an Apple Mac.. but that's a whole other playground willy waving argument about to start there..

Cheers

Mark

[marktigere1]

the dsx9 is just 9x2 with 2.4 tacked on. its only 1024bit resolution and the reliability of the spektrum rx's is questionable.

Here we go again.

On what basis do you state that Spektrum RX's are not reliable OTHER than heresay and the odd person ploughing into the field due to power supplies being substandard for the amount of current drawn by the servo's or BEC's not being up to it? Remeber the GUID codes on early Futaba 2.4 or have we forgotten that.

Also, what is the 6 channel and 7 channel Futaba's (that I respect by the way and am not having a go at Futaba) if they are not 2.4 GHz simply 'tacked on' then? They are not new designs as I bought my 35 Meg FF7 at the beginning of 2005.

I think Mark has the situation covered very nicely by his last post.

Ta.

Mark

[Steve]

Apple Mac's rock.

[robgt]

Especially with Windows on them
ROFL
Cheers,
Rob

[Toolman]

Lets be clear the DSX9 is in fact 2048, with any of the 9ch or above JR/Specky rx's.

To many the switch assignability & timer isn't such a big deal, what I would like is the backlit screen though.

Tim.

[Mike W]

Horses for course springs to mind ... As long as each person is happy with what they have/run then whats its matter at the end of the day ... Marks happy with the 10c and was making a valid reason as to why he bought it ...If you like something it does not matter what others think .. Heck I started on a Hawk pro and lots of people hate them .. but I loved mine till I sold it .....

[Ade_Law]

Here we go again.

On what basis do you state that Spektrum RX's are not reliable OTHER than heresay and the odd person ploughing into the field due to power supplies being substandard for the amount of current drawn by the servo's or BEC's not being up to it? Remeber the GUID codes on early Futaba 2.4 or have we forgotten that.

Also, what is the 6 channel and 7 channel Futaba's (that I respect by the way and am not having a go at Futaba) if they are not 2.4 GHz simply 'tacked on' then? They are not new designs as I bought my 35 Meg FF7 at the beginning of 2005.

I think Mark has the situation covered very nicely by his last post.

Ta.

Mark

if you read my spektrum poll there are people having real issues, this isnt hearsay these are real issues. I have been around people that have needed to rebind their system for no apparent reason. then of course there is trev who i have sat with trying to get his model to bind on switch on... that was painful.

the GUID was an issue, they fixed it and it only effected a small number of radios and most importantly isnt a current issue. however aerials are still falling off spek rx's..

yes they had 2.4 tacked on but they are also budget radios if they did everything then nobody would upgrade. Im talking about 9+ channel radios. I cant see some of the issues being BEC related, if it was then gyros would be having issues too. spektrum is/was over sensitive to power fluctuations, if they werent then they wouldnt have created quick connect.

futaba have worked very hard to raise the bar and have made a lot of hardened JR uses like Mark sit up and take notice.

fly what you want to fly. My 12fg rocks and the 10c kicks the dsx9 for the reasons i have already stated.

Ade

[Tim Procter]

Ade.

Fact is that you are pushing what you are using again.

When you were sponsored flying a Knight 3D that's all we ever heard about on these forums, "How good they were all the time"

Since the demise of your relationship with that manufacturer we have never heard another peep about them.

Its all Outrage this and Outrage that and this subject regarding radios now because you decided that's what you wanted.

Good for you if you can get sponsorship with any of the manufacturers, I take my hat off to you for acheaving that but some of us like other brands as well for different reasons.

[marktigere1]

Sorry Ade but I have used Spektrum for over a year now and have not had a single problem with binding or otherwise and that was with the DX6i (cheap and nasty I guess).

As for the quick connect, that was a solution to a drop in voltage and was not a direct fault of the Spektrum RX. In my line of work power supplies are critical in computer systems, never more so with RC due to the pretty harsh environment so fair play to Spektrum for sorting it.

Anyway, I'm not a Spektrum expert nor Futaba so as Mark says, if it works fine.

Having watched the likes of Robgt, Edders, Richie etc wring their Heli's out to within an inch on Spektrum with no problems, I don't see where you are coming from frankly.

Mark

PS. Maybe you should have a chat with Paul Beard and express your concerns about the shoddy Spektrum stuff. Oh and just for the record, I chose Spektrum having been a Futaba flyer because of the GUID problem and the fact that I could not find any negative stuff about Spektrum at the time. I now have a DX7 as well as a DX6i and still happy.

[jiberjaber]

Wow - should I get the bunny and pancake out to calm down this thread LOL



I sympathise with Ade because if you step out side of the heli arena and in to needing to do a bit more, then some of the features are lacking in the DX7. I wanted an extra channel or two, so I was looking for something in the DX9 or 10c area - that was my primary reason for change, but there were some limits on the DX7 in say the glider department and such, these features are there on the 10c/DX9 or above.

If you are just going to fly a heli or plane and have no need for additional channels then the DX7 is a great choice - I think I have had to re-bind a spectrum unit twice in the time I have had a DX7 (which must be about 1.5 - 2 years). I havent suffered from the static issues as I havent had thouse heli's but I have suffered from some issues which needed the reciever replacing, which HH were very good to do.

The under voltage thing is a little bit of a red hearing, similar to any pre-flight check thing realy. So you could argue the under voltage against the lack of model match on that one.

I certainly sat back happy with my DX7 when there was the zero GUID issue with the 6 ch receivers, but that was in the past.

I will echo in here Mike's words... it's horses for courses.

Having had both, I do prefer the 10c to the DX7 - but they are different transmitters at the end of the day. It's the price point they are now been compared against I think, which makes the 10c better VFM. YMMV

[Ashley Davis]

Agree, the difference on these higher end sets is price per function, which is better on the Futaba stuff after recent price hikes.

[barney]

I have both DX7 and 12FG and access to the DSX9/9X2/10X SpeKtrum.

DX7 I dont like the non-connection you occasionially get TX to close to Rx. Aerials dropping of the AR7000 Rx's is a pain and still does happen even after being returned for service as they retain the originial Rx casing without the supports. Even silicone only works for so long!.

The DX7 is a great radio but suffers from limited programability. Its a Budget set, but a very good one. Try running different Headspeeds through the idle ups and Swash menus are basic etc. If you run with a Multigov you can get round the Headspeeds but It's lacking overall. If your Happy without Bells and Whistles its fine. The Gimballs can be Quad brgd giving a decent longlasting feel.

DSX9..Not a whole lot better than the DX7 IMHO..the Gimbals are sort of clattery and are 2 brgs per side and cant be 'upgraded' like the DX7. The level of programing for the extra ££££'s spent is very disapointing to TBH. Looks pretty

10X Nice radio but long in the tooth...similiar to 9Z again getting on a bit.

12FG Never had a lockout on power up or any funnies at all. Its a different class radio with programing very close to 14MZ, Smooth Quad Gimballed, Switch Assignability. Its not the prettiest but functionality cannot be faulted. The only thing I would like is a backlit display. Takes time to learn the programing but has superb swash Meunus...

10C..This looks to be a nice option..very Fast RF output, backlit display. This is what you should be comparing to the DSX9. Not sure about what it has but some switch Assignability is available http://www.futaba-rc.com/radios/feature-compare.html

I'm happy to use either DSM2 or FASST both are steets ahead of 35Mhz in the reliabilty stakes as it eliminates the biggest model killer of all..YOUR CLUB NUMPTY

Brian

[Andy from Sandy]

Oh dear, oh dear, oh dear. Here comes the bombshell. If you can hang on for a while here is the next version of the 10C. Known as the T10CG. Sold as a combo with the 8 channel rx and battery packs.

http://www.e-heli-shop.de/

Do a search for T10CG

[simon_t]

I'm happy to use either DSM2 or FASST both are steets ahead of 35Mhz in the reliabilty stakes as it eliminates the biggest model killer of all..YOUR CLUB NUMPTY

Brian

In nearly 40 years of flying I've seen perhaps three shootdowns, but probably 100+ crashes due to all the other usual reasons: dumb thumbs, failed batterries, connectors falling apart, broken wires, servo failure, etc. etc. All these potential failure mechanisms still exist for 2.4, although generally surface mount electronics are much more reliable than older style electronics. Of course anything that improves safety, even if by a small amount is a good thing. There are lots of people on the forums though that think because they are now on 2.4 that their models are never going to fall out of the air! hmmm. I wouldn't go back to 35MHz now though.

Simon

[forbsy]

i must be the only old school fool on here still using 35mhz.I have the jr 2720 i haven't had a radio interference problem yet.Had this setup first on my departed 450 sev2 and now on my 600 nitro.So what would be a logical progression if i wanted to go 2.4ghz