New JR DSX12

[raptorheli2]

give horizon a call and see how you fair. if you bought them in the UK and are not correct then i'm sure horizon will advise what you can do. horizons support is exceptional in the UK so i wouldn't worry about asking them.

cheers

[Bruinbear]

The new DSX12 has now arrived !
Inwood Models and Real Raptors have them in stock today. Only that Real Raptors have increased the price by another £200 from £1499 to a whopping £1699 !!! Futaba sure looks much better now ?
I'm sorry, but I must say that I feel that MacGregor seam to have simply lost the plot when it comes to price. When it comes to radio equipment they know dame well that to be UK legal that a 2.4GHz TX must be purchased via then and therefore they can pretty much charge what ever they like ! They said on thier website that although VAT is now less that prices have gone up due to the exchange rate.
I've been waiting for over a year now for the DSX12 to become available, but how I can I justify £1699 and this is for the TX and reciever only, NO SERVOS !!! Come on MacGregor.
Well I've had my moan now.
MERRY CHRISTMAS
Mike.

[ChrisB]

This is the same old story,just remember that the importers need to sell the stuff more than you need to buy it so sit on your hands and wait for the price to drop.

Bumping the price up on new stuff is just plain ripping people off,i hope they get stuck with them all unsold.

I am slumming it with my 2 year old DX7 imported and its still going strong and does everything i will ever need. £1600 plus for a Transmitter,that is just a complete joke,there is no way that the component cost of that unit would be that much more than a run of the mill one.

[BobJ]

Hi

Please check your insurance carefully, I am not 100% on this but there's a chance BMFA won't pay out in the case of a claim if it's imported none type approved radio.
With todays blame culture it's possible that if the club allow it's use, that a claim could be made against club commitee members, would you want to risk loosing your house just so some one can save a few quid on a radio!
If they BMFA or who ever are your insurers are ok with this then go for it of course:-)

Cheers
Bob J

that blue light will make all the difference.

we don't have any probs with import stuff here. since we kicked out all the fixed wing flyers piece and harmony exists.

[richieclarkie]

The new DSX12 has now arrived !
Inwood Models and Real Raptors have them in stock today. Only that Real Raptors have increased the price by another £200 from £1499 to a whopping £1699 !!! Futaba sure looks much better now ?
I'm sorry, but I must say that I feel that MacGregor seam to have simply lost the plot when it comes to price. When it comes to radio equipment they know dame well that to be UK legal that a 2.4GHz TX must be purchased via then and therefore they can pretty much charge what ever they like ! They said on thier website that although VAT is now less that prices have gone up due to the exchange rate.
I've been waiting for over a year now for the DSX12 to become available, but how I can I justify £1699 and this is for the TX and reciever only, NO SERVOS !!! Come on MacGregor.
Well I've had my moan now.
MERRY CHRISTMAS
Mike.

£1699 for a penis extention does seem a little steep.

Does it make you fly better?

[Steve]

My JR DSX9 and my previous 9xii are both different sets from the JR XP9303, which is the international version of this radio. The 9303 has an analogue throttle trim, slightly different appearance, and more importantly both my DSX9 and the 9xii have MacGregor branding on the front.

So, do JR in Japan manufacture a small number of sets with different spec, different imagery and different branding just for the tiny (in comparison to the rest of the world) UK market, or do the sets come out of the factory as 9303s and then get tweaked somewhere between JR and our shops, maybe abroad, or maybe closer to home?

If so, then this post-processing will increase the trade value of the sets, and therefore the cost to the customer, and of course it begs the obvious question, 'Why?' Why tweak an excellent radio just for the UK market? Is this a JR top-level decision, or a MacGregor one?

Don't get me wrong, I like my DSX9 loads, as I did the 9xii before it, and wouldn't dream of changing it at the moment, but something just doesn't add up with the way that it's presented and branded.

[Tim Procter]

Two words.

Crazy pricing.

[daren]

£1699 for a penis extention does seem a little steep.

Does it make you fly better?

Funny you should say that, Having used a futaba 9zap wc2 for the last 6 years and moving on to a 12x makes even my older models faster in response and more locked in!

12x is the best radio i've used!!!

[helidriver]

I looked into it.

thanks for the quote Bobj. to say we don't mind imports is correct. Mine was bought from u by the way so it should be good. even without stickers.

i spoke to my insurance and they don't seem to mind how i hurt someone, they will just pay up. they seem to think if u pay the premium u get the cover.
just like hitting someone with a car after u put different wheels on it. i'm sure there are a few of them about.

but, lets hope it don't happen anyhow, great thread for a debate though !!

what was it about ??.. oh yes, 1700 notes ain't bad for an extension cos the best i can find is 3500 but they do promise 2 inches and no loss of function.

[SRH990]

So, do JR in Japan manufacture a small number of sets with different spec, different imagery and different branding just for the tiny (in comparison to the rest of the world) UK market, or do the sets come out of the factory as 9303s and then get tweaked somewhere between JR and our shops, maybe abroad, or maybe closer to home?

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I think you will find it's the other way around, the US (and Canada?) gets the 9303, the rest of the world gets the DSX9, it's just that the US market is vast.

I don't think MacGregor are ripping us off with the price of the DSX12, look at the price of Futaba gear now, the 14MZ is over £2,000, even the 6EXH has gone up a fair bit, blame the banks for the crash in the value of the pound.

[mchristyuk]

And here we go again with the "lets bash the importer and shops" because our modelling goods are more expensive..

The Yen to Pound has swung hugely.. Anything out of Asia has rocketed in price recently. I was going to buy a 12x when it came out but I can't afford one now. I still want one.. so I either have to wait for the exchange rate to sort itself our OR I save some money!

To some the set is an anotomy extension but to others it is a very valid purchase. I still have a 10x with a Spektrum module and there is no way I would downgrade to a DX7 or a DSX9 because of the ball bearing gimbals AND the number of multi point mixers AND the multi point throttle and pitch curves I use. My 10x is pretty much maxed out with my setup so I can definately see the need in my flying for a 12x.

At the end of the day if you can't see the point to the 12x or 14mz then you don't need it and you need not worry about the price. There are some who will want one for bragging rights but there will also be those who need the extra facilities.. and because of the small amounts of these sets that are made are willing to pay extra for them.

Yes it's a crazy price.. I want one.. but I realise how bad the exchange rate is at the moment and am just going to have to sit on my hands for another 6 months until I can afford one. That is not JR's fault or the shops fault.. mearly the economy we find ourselves in at the moment..

On a lighter note though..

Merry Xmas everybody and all the best for 2009

Mark

[mchristyuk]

Just a little follow up regarding insurance and imports..

As far as I am aware (and I may be wrong) the UK importers keep a log of every serial number associated with each set that they bring in.

As we all know when it comes to car insurance they will do anything to wriggle out of paying out or covering us if they can. You change your exhaust or wheels then they won't cover you.. even though we all know they had no factor in any incident.

It is the same with the BMFA's insurance. Therefore if your set is not a proper CE stampted officially imported unit then the BMFA's insurers will not back you. And they will know if it is or isn't because the importer has a log of everything they brought in. You can jump up and down and moan about this as much as you like.. and if you want try your luck in court. To get a transmitter CE approved in the UK costs lots of ££'s and that cost is carried by the UK importer.. they want to make their money back for the type approval and yes that jacks up the price of the set (combined with our higher costs of living, wages, insurance, etc).

So you have 2 choices.. buy a cheap import and risk the insurance or spend more money buying locally and be covered. 99% of the time you will be fine buying the import and save yourself money.. but the question is do you want to be the 1% when things go horribly wrong?

Yes I agree it's not a good state to be in.. but the problem extends wider than just the modelling industry. I am not sure what can be done about it? We have our rules and regulations and you either abide by them or not.. unfortunately it seems that abiding by them costs everybody a lot more money than not abiding by them!

Mark

[simon_t]

Surely CE Marking, "Conformité Européene", is European, not UK only. It asserts that the item meets those standards. I don't believe that the BMFA's insurers can argue that an imported, but legally CE marked item is not covered by their insurance

[mchristyuk]

Simon,

Thats the problem.. There have been lots of sets flooding in that have been CE marked without actually going through any kind of type approval.

If there was an issue then it is very easy to track down where the set came from originally because of the serial number on each set. If it came from a supplier of non type approved sets (e.g. outside of the EU) then the insurers would get their "get out of jail free" card handed to them..

Mark

[Captain Crash]

So what you're saying is BMFA insurance isn't worth the paper it's written on???

That's so unusual for a UK insurer!!!!

That's what the letters stand for anyway, Buys Me Fu*k All insurance