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  • #16
    Guys,

    Mark is correct the OPTIPACKS are going into retail as we speak. We are pretty open minded as you will be aware so any suggestions on pack range can be considered. We did an extensive market assessment on required sizes and weights and I hope have addressed the magority of requirements but some might have slipped through the net. We of course have to address both fixed wing and helicopter applications.

    There is a lot of data on the site, go to home page and clicl OPTIPOWER icon this will take you to the lithium area sizes, weights, advice etc, www.optifuel.co.uk

    Demand is very strong with a massive day of shipping yesterday and our feeling after 8 months of testing is positive in that we are comfortable that these cells are strong, give relentless power with little voltage drop right to the end of the pack, in testing we actualy have driven them to that point where the machine just stops in flight to see what damage we can do to the cells in real life.

    We will answer all questions where we can but I hope the cells will talk for themselves in reality by performing well and give long and strong cycle life. I see there is a lot of chat about times of flights, irrespective of lithium this can be massively affected by the ESC setup and heli gearing, a well setup heli running at around 94% efficency will run perhaps twice as long as a badly setup heli and do little or no damage to the cells, a poor setup will end up running cells way to hot. One of our well know test pilots you will all have met is Jace and his RAVE 90 is running 5 mins 20Sec of serious stick banging with no drop off in power on two 5000 6S cells and 20% left in packs this was not the case untill the ESC/gearing was optimised, so well worth looking at your setup's irrespective of lithium supplier.

    We use CellPro PL8 all the way through and IR when reported are from the PL8. Bare in mind the IR's shown if charging in parallel are the composite IR's across the two packs and you cannot just average them if you want accurate IR's you must charge as single packs and then this is a true IR. PLEASE remember our 5000 6S pack is a split pack i.e. two 3S cells when the split is not connected and it should not be charged in this condition the split must be made and should be left in that condition unless you intend taking it on a passenger aircraft.

    We are currently doing 100% QA on cells (every single cell is checked before going into stock) so far out of more than 1000 cells we have one DOA. We would expect a balanced condition to report some thing like 0.008v or less across a pack max to min volts (again using active cell management). All cells are shipped as 3.8v/cell and around 41 to 43% capacity.

    We see a lot of chat about price, we have tried to be resonable here and to a large degree price is driven by the fact that retailers need a decent margin to stock cells and distribution needs a margin too plus of course OPTI. If we sold purly online then we could be less expensive but we are not going that route. We also have a decent warranty and a crash back 50% offer all of which does cost something to offer. Our view is the cells are at the premium end and this will in fact talk for itself in due course.

    I have absoloutly no doubt this forum and others will report thier views in the normal way!

    Any specific questions PM me or mail me at andy@optifuel.co.uk or go to the site www.optifuel.co.uk

    OPTI YOUR PASSION

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    • #17
      It's funny everyone focuses on prices and not much else. OK lets take the cheapest 6s 5000mah. HK it's £72 by the time you take cheapest shipping into account. And that's if you don't get stung for duty etc if you do then add another £10+ on each pack plus you wait for weeks and hope they work when they arrive. You could buy loongmax from Giant Cod, but the 25C is £80 and the 50c is £93 + postage.

      Or Optipower lipo, £110 get it next day, quality make with warranty and crashback. It's a no brainer for me.

      If I hadn't just got the flightpower lipos for the 600 I would be buying some of these to give them a try
      Pete

      Oxy3, Logo 480xx, Logo 550sx, Rave Ballistic
      Lynx Heli Team Pilot

      Proud member of the "too stupid to fly" model heli club

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      • #18
        Originally posted by PeteStewardson View Post
        It's funny everyone focuses on prices and not much else. OK lets take the cheapest 6s 5000mah. HK it's £72 by the time you take cheapest shipping into account. And that's if you don't get stung for duty etc if you do then add another £10+ on each pack plus you wait for weeks and hope they work when they arrive. You could buy loongmax from Giant Cod, but the 25C is £80 and the 50c is £93 + postage.

        Or Optipower lipo, £110 get it next day, quality make with warranty and crashback. It's a no brainer for me.

        If I hadn't just got the flightpower lipos for the 600 I would be buying some of these to give them a try
        Well said pete.
        As soon as I have some spare funds I will be getting a pair of 6s 5000's to go in the 700e.
        James

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        Optifuel/optipower
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        • #19
          I'd like to know how optifuel work out the C rating of a cell, and the capacity as well. Mainly the C rating. Is it defined by number of cycles or temperature rise? I've not seen any definitions. Just saying a battery will run at a given current doesn't tell us how many times it will do that or how much cooling it requires or what temperature the battery is running at. They also state that charging at over 3C will damage the cell. How much does charging rate affect the life of a lipo and what is the failure mechanism?

          Chris
          Flasher 450 Sport. Assan GA250 with 520 tail servo, MKS DS450 cyclic.
          Multiplex Cockpit Tx, DX7, DX6i
          Blade 130-X, MSR, MSRX
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          • #20
            Originally posted by moonmanflyer View Post
            Well said pete.
            As soon as I have some spare funds I will be getting a pair of 6s 5000's to go in the 700e.
            The next time I buy Lipos they will be optipower ones to give them a go My only worry is the weight of the packs, the 6s 5000 packs are heavier than my flightpower ones by a decent amount.
            Pete

            Oxy3, Logo 480xx, Logo 550sx, Rave Ballistic
            Lynx Heli Team Pilot

            Proud member of the "too stupid to fly" model heli club

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            • #21
              Originally posted by PeteStewardson View Post
              The next time I buy Lipos they will be optipower ones to give them a go My only worry is the weight of the packs, the 6s 5000 packs are heavier than my flightpower ones by a decent amount.
              After having a couple of chats with Dave fisher and seeing how well they performed at both the zone and parkhall, what impressed me was the constant power they seemed to give out, with no major drop off, like I get with my turnigies, and it is good that we have a top uk manufacturer of quality lipos, and the 50% crash replacement is a major bonus, when you take all that into account, the price is good
              James

              Sponsored by
              Align-Trex.co.uk
              Optifuel/optipower
              MKS servotech


              5 Eddie gold stars and christmas star

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              • #22
                Originally posted by PeteStewardson View Post
                It's funny everyone focuses on prices and not much else. OK lets take the cheapest 6s 5000mah. HK it's £72 by the time you take cheapest shipping into account. And that's if you don't get stung for duty etc if you do then add another £10+ on each pack plus you wait for weeks and hope they work when they arrive. You could buy loongmax from Giant Cod, but the 25C is £80 and the 50c is £93 + postage.

                Or Optipower lipo, £110 get it next day, quality make with warranty and crashback. It's a no brainer for me.

                If I hadn't just got the flightpower lipos for the 600 I would be buying some of these to give them a try
                You need to be more selective where you shop, I recenty bought 6s 5000's from HK's Germany wearhouse, my first batch worked out at £58 each, second batch was £64 each, that's including shipping, and only took 2-3 days, plus no import tax as Germany is in the EU.

                Anyway the subject of how they compare to other brands price and performace is irrelevant, thats been beaten to death in othe threads. The OP intended it to be an imformative thread about the release of the long awaited Opti packs

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                • #23
                  My only issue with these is the size, or to be precise, the height of the packs.

                  If the 6S really are 59mm high then they are simply too large to fit in my model and even the 4400 would be a tight squeeze (packs stack on top of each other.).

                  Only alternative would be to stack them on their side which I'm not keen to do.

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                  • #24
                    just got my flight packs threw
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                    • #25
                      The opti's here which are 5300's are lighter than my FP's by 20g as weighed at the field the other weekend but these are pre production packs so take this into account as I don't know if there are any difference between them and the production 5000's

                      But here is 2 pics of 3 different types of 5000 6s packs.






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                      I'm onthe iPhone Sao if the pics are not clear enough I will upload from the comp later
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                      • #26
                        Originally posted by Jamin_00 View Post
                        But here is 2 pics of 3 different types of 5000 6s packs.
                        Something odd here, the Optipower pack appears to be significantly shorter than the Flightpower pack but according to the specs it should be taller? (50.5mm FP, 59mm Opti)

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                        • #27
                          Pete and others,

                          5000 6S production packs are coming in at 765gms (lighter than pre-production packs) and L = 161mm W = 46mm and T = 48mm so a tad smaller too, hope this helps.

                          Andy
                          Last edited by avroboy; 16-08-2011, 11:29 AM.

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                          • #28
                            OPTIPOWER™ – FACTS, MYTHS and RATINGS

                            Chris

                            If you want to know more about C ratings go to our site and download the data you require there are a number of documents there. www.optifuel.co.uk double click OPTIPOWER on home page go to documents. More will go up over coming weeks.

                            OPTIPOWER – FACTS, MYTHS and RATINGS

                            This one will help but there are other on our site. best thing to do is ask one of our pilots to give you the packs after a 5 minute hard 3D set, they are barly warm to touch perhaps two or three degrees above the ambient.

                            Andy

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                            • #29
                              Originally posted by avroboy View Post
                              5000 6S production packs are coming in at 765gms (lighter than pre-production packs) and L = 161mm W = 46mm and T = 48mm so a tad smaller to hope this helps.
                              Nearly 20% shorter is hardly 'a tad'

                              This is very good news though as it means they have moved from 'way too large' to 'just right'.

                              I have to ask though, what changed?

                              Usually a change as significant as that would suggest that the production cells are different to the pre-production cells as you can't account for a change that big with different assembly methods?

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                              • #30
                                Mark, mine are 5300's not 5000's so maybe that's the difference?
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