one Girl's Rave ENV Build or "pink my Rave"

[simm0]

OMG rach thats terrible..good luck next time

cheers craig

[cupracing]

so sorry to hear this, must of been gut wrenching. Stick to what your used to I reckon. Im sure the flybarred model is every bit is good.

[3DBish]

Oh no Rachel i'm gutted for you!! .
But at least now i'll have someone to share flybarred discussions with (y) lol.
every cloud hey . hope you can repair it soon. did the canopy get damaged?

[waveydavey]

Sorry to hear that Rachel, bummer! Same as 3DBish hope the pink is still in one piece.

[rachel]

Oh no Rachel i'm gutted for you!! .
But at least now i'll have someone to share flybarred discussions with (y) lol.
every cloud hey . hope you can repair it soon. did the canopy get damaged?

No thankfully being very untrusting of a computer actually flying my heli I opted to try the testflight without a canopy ,.. phew

The damage is already fixed just the radio to mount and set up (again)

I realise that flybarless it not a fit and fly , and that you need to spend time sorting it , but my budget just isn't big enough to crash like this so flybar here we come

x Rachel

[pgkevet]

sympathies also.

I have discovered (to my own expense) that fbl doesn't like low headspeed manoeuvers on the ground...seems happier well spooled up on the beastx anyway. I had my 500 threw itself over the other day when I decided to take off nose-in and was a bit gingerish.

I suspect it's to do with the slower response at low headspeed and more volient fbl reaction to make up for it - I'm speculating on a sort of accelerator response..

Have you got a 'cheap heli' you can put the fbl on to get used to their quirks?

If you were local I'd lend you one of mine...

It's all part of 'the game'..but my rule of thumb (there I go again) is to test fly without canopy and with cheapo blades..got some HK 3D 690's here that cost $22.50 + post

[derrick]

Nothing wrong with a flybar, will stick with mine till all the probs get sorted. i think we all will be flybarless in a few years there's lot's more to come,
hope you get it maidened soon.
Cheers Del.

[trillian]

Rachel I am so sorry to hear about this Especially with everything shiney and new and stuff.

I have heard a few similar stories about FBL units but I kinda thought these quirks were sorted, I guess not.

[coptermanic]

Oh no!!!!!!!!!!

After all the build up and apprehension, deflation.

Really sorry about the flybarless experiment Rachel, and I know you will go back to it when you can. In the meantime, enjoy your flybarred flying again!!

[steve_b]

I have spoken to Brian at CYE and he thinks it was caused by "flybared pilot reactions" in otherwords an input the heli couldn't follow as it was on the ground so it puts in more and more cyclic to counter the lack of responce.

Sorry to hear this Rachel, makes more than a little nervous about converting my FB ENV to FBL now.

From the comment above is Brian saying it's pilot error or something to do with the Total G system?

[millerman]

gutted for you rachel but dont give up on flybarless just get a v-bar

[rachel]

Sorry to hear this Rachel, makes more than a little nervous about converting my FB ENV to FBL now.

From the comment above is Brian saying it's pilot error or something to do with the Total G system?

WARNING WARNING THIS MAY START A
BUNFIGHT !!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
Ok I was only kidding ,about the bunfight

but the point I (and tht's my oppinion only !) is that flybarless is not a plug & play thingy, they do fly differently And require time & expertease to set up.

here is a copy of some of the email from Brian at CYE:

I am very sorry to hear the first flight didn’t go well. To be honest, the likely culprit in this situation is flybared pilot skills. Any input, even a small input on the ground can do exactly what you saw happen is the stick is above 50% and the model is still on the ground. The gyros think the model is flying, and it is not. So any input will cause the swashplate to run to its limits. This is the nature of flight control. Now with that said, I of course could be wrong. It sounds like a pilot induced rollover to me, but without seeing what happened it will be near impossible for me to tell.


, I have now flow several flybarless helis equiped with 3G , Beast X , & V bar, to be honest (and I am !) I haven't liked one of them

There are now almost more flybarless helis than flybared on a sunday at my club , Beasy X is the top brand we have 2 total G equiped helis , the other a scale heim 222 (and its pink now nicknamed Total Gay !) which worked very very well.

I can only really say one thing I have had nothing but wonderful customer support from CYE & Brian that's why I bought a Rave , I would be very very surprised to find a fault with the Total G , but,...... I know I did not put an input in !!!!!!


The bottom line in Imho is Only go flybarless if you are very experianced in setting up and like to bugger about rater than fly , thats just MY oppinion,.......

One thing I can say about the Total G is I found it hard to set up , but its my first flybarless heli , now I have done it its easy & clever . If you want a very adjustable , Top notch flybarles box thingy with fab customer service buy Total G but that's my oppinion ! and its biased as its the only one I have tried.

good luck Hugs X Rachel

[Ross Northcott]

Rachel i had the same problem with my Srimok, i had fitted a beasx originally which something happend in flight and it went in, not to much damage luckily still £200 with blades.
I then just couldnt trust the electronic fbl system and was always waiting for the next time something failed so i change to a flybar again and was back in my comfort zone, James moon is currently checking the heli over and replacing damaged parts, tuning the ys srs engine as well, very professional service so far with regular updates.

[millerman]

im sorry i totally disagree with what you said i have been flying for 8 months (not very long i know) and converted most of my helis to flybarless and i can honestly say its not anywere near as bad as you have said yes they do move a tiny bit but dont fall over on the ground as yours did, flybarless is no way as scarey as you have made it out to be, personaly i think your accident was due to 1 of 2 things poorly setup controller~mechanics or faulty controller none of my flybarless helis have ever fallen over on the skids !
put it back on and try again you will like it

[pgkevet]

, I have now flow several flybarless helis equiped with 3G , Beast X , & V bar, to be honest (and I am !) I haven't liked one of them

...............

I would be very very surprised to find a fault with the Total G , but,...... I know I did not put an input in !!!!!!

Bunfight! (or lemon cake fight???..but then apparently I'm off the cake list)..
..You can't have it both ways (cake and eat it??..sorry..)..

Odd if you don't like fbl to choose fbl..Odder if used enough to fbl that this happened..and oddest(est) it should throw itself with no input except if it bounced..as in you may not have given input but if still moving/settling etc than any knock will be an input. I know I have more trouble with landing autos fbl than fb..but as mentioned above that's partly 'cos my tyro autos are touched down with headspeed bled off, the fbl response is as fast as with headspeed but pilot inut is slower due to that low headspeed.

Sad that economics don't allow you to swallow it and try again ..if only to find out what happened....