Outrage550 on 12s ?

[ktargett]

Hi

I have just got a Jive80HV and Scorpion 4035-560 motor, which is obviously ideally suited to a 700 size setup on 12s5000 - but I have decided the cost of 12s5000 is a little high, so was looking around for other models that maybe suitable for these parts but with lower battery costs.

Would these be far too much for the Outrage550? I know the motor is about 70gm heavier than the 4025, but using 12s2500 the battery should be about the same as 6s5000.

I am hoping to get >6mins of hard 3D out if it. Maybe a 600 size model would be more suited but not sure on flight times? Maybe convert the 50n

The 4035 has a 6mm shaft, so can you get a suitable pinion for the 550?

Cheers

Kevin

[moonmanflyer]

i would say no mate, to powerfull, to heavy and the batt wouldn't fit anyway, motor shaft would be to big for the mount also.
Ash will be along in a min i am sure

[mark lane]

Listen to james on this one mate.....

Seen his 550 run on the suggested outrage/scorpion set up and it veeeeery powerful and gives 6 mins full 3d.

A very competent set up that needs no fixing IMO

[moonmanflyer]

Run mine on a 4020-1390kv motor on outrage 6s 5000mah batts and easy give 5-6 mins 3D flying and is very powerfull.
You will need a motor adaptor for using a scorpion motor on the outrage

[ktargett]

Thanks guys, sounds like I need to go for a new motor so maybe I should just go for the 6s5000 setup, it just seems a bit of shame since the Jive could make use of a good HV setup.

I was thinking it was the 4025 motor that was suited to the O550 rather than the 4020, so even more weight difference than I thought.

Cheers

Kevin

[moonmanflyer]

Think the jive will be ok, is it 80amp, thats the min you need.
I run mine off an 100amp align speed contoller as is really good and a seperate BEC.
5000mah 6S packs is about the limit for size in the outrage, and then it is quite heavy, wouldn't want to go heavyer thats for sure
Got to remember the outrage 550 is a 30 size not 50 size.

[Ashley Davis]

The 4035 has a 6mm shaft so you might struggle for pinions and as already mentioned the motor mount has a bearing in it so you would need to swap that for one with a 6mm ID instead of 5mm. 12S 2500 would fit in the frames no problem, I've run mine on 12S 2500. So the only issue would be the extra 70g of weight from the motor, which isn't massive.

Personally I think it would work but it's a bit of a mismatch and there are some issues to solve with the motor mount and pinion. The 4020 is more than enough power wise so a 4035 would be MASSIVE over kill.

[ktargett]

Yes the Jive is 80A rated. I was hoping to use the BEC on this ESC, as I think it has got a decent rating - although maybe not enough for 3*8915s

The 12s2500 is about the same weight as a 6s5000 ~800gm, but I haven't checked physically if they would fit.

[GravityKills]

I don't think that it would be a serious challenge for the Kontronik BEC. For example, my 550 (3x8915+8900) draws about 150 mAh per flight from a 2s LiPo. The average current is therefore somewhere around 2A.
But if you read the manual carefully, they state you have to use a receiver battery anyway. If you want to run 6 V BEC you'll need additional circuitry. Not sure if it was an engineer who wrote this, though, or a lawyer...

[ktargett]

So maybe getting a 4025-630 motor for use on 12s would be the best bet? Then I don't have any issues with the motor mount or pinion?

Or is 12s2500 more suited to the 600 class heli anyway? I need good power but not gear breaking ridiculous power.

[Ashley Davis]

It really doesn't need anymore than the 4020 1390kv and a 6S 5000 pack. That's all I use and with a decent pack it has power to spare. We did run a 4025 1100kv on 6S but it was mental or as I like to put it 'an american setup', overpowered and pointless.......and heading straight for gear strip territory.

[Tosh]

With the packs and esc we`ve got these days there is very little advantage if any in going HV on this size heli.

[GravityKills]

... We did run a 4025 1100kv on 6S but it was mental or as I like to put it 'an american setup', overpowered and pointless.......and heading straight for gear strip territory.

I fly the 4025 1100 kV on 8s.
Mental, yes.
Overpowered, yes.
Pointless, yes (and I must admit it has gotten me into trouble - it was somewhat hard to fly until I got used to it).
The good news is, I haven't managed yet to strip a gear (neither CNC nor stock plastic). Knock on wood.
With 4200 mAh packs and external Rx LiPo, mine is a bit on the heavy side.
And, there is very little warning from an empty LiPo, because it has so much voltage in reserve.

[MrB]

Yes the Jive is 80A rated. I was hoping to use the BEC on this ESC, as I think it has got a decent rating - although maybe not enough for 3*8915s

The BEC will power those no problem, even with the extra loads of FBL

[GravityKills]

An update on my 4025/1100 8s setup:
- I managed to strip a main gear (moulded, not CNC) doing tictocs. It lasted well over 50 flights, and there is a chance that a loose motor bolt caused it to strip.
- The Scorpion 4020 with Kv=1100 is "officially" listed for an 8s setup. I'd guess the 4025with equal Kv can't be that wrong
- I tried it also on a 7s setup with 11 tooth pinion, but didn't like it (using the same 4200 Ah / 35 C packs as on 8s, but one cell less). It felt sort of ... lazy
- I flew one F3C P-schedule competition round with it. With reduced headspeed and three hovering maneuvres, the flight time must be around 7 min.
- With mixed sport / 3D flying I get about 6 min with some safety margin. If I push it, it gets shorter. The motor gets reasonably hot.