Spartan Vortex tuning test flight on Protos 500

[Morus]

Think what you want but I fly with Morus regularly and he does fly like this. Insane, I can't follow him either but it's real.

Robbancs is quiet bored to watch me flying all the time He would love to see someone else around Bring 700 size ! )))

[dani_r]

Nooooope.

Sorry but I'm not having it. Your videos give too much away -

For example -

Video 1 -

If you up the volume you can hear the tone of the wind change at the second he moves out of the shot, suggesting the whole video has been sped up. This happens at around 20-21 seconds. Flick it to 20 seconds then watch on. It happens again at the end when the heli lands. Suddenly the tone changes again back to the way it was, just before he moves back in to shot.

Then around 1:20 when you can see this guys head, he just seems to be moving very 'artificially', sharp jagged movements, not really consistent with what you would expect.

Not convinced?

Alrighty. This next one is my personal favourite.

Video 2-

Xmas flying with live drumming at the field - YouTube

Everything seems normal, right? Wrong. In the background you have a kid drumming behind somewhere. At the beginning this seems to be done slowly, like a kid would do. Also, watch the traffic on the left side. Moves normally, but then at around 11 seconds in just after he moves out of shot, the traffic suddenly gets quicker and the kid drumming in the background suddenly finds loads more speed!

Weird that.

STILL not enough!?

At about 48/49 seconds the heli touches the ground, the heli lands and 'weirdly' the drumming in the background slows right down! Bizarre that.

There are a few other points in there, but those are the main ones.

Mate, if you're trying to convince people - most likely sponsors/manufacturers - that you're some 3D smack god you're doing it all kinds of the wrong way. Practice is what makes a good fast pilot, and even then, not everyone has the 'skills to pay the bills' as it were.

If you believe this is indeed your own flying, which it's not, then I suggest you give SAB a call as Bert Kammerer needs to step aside. However, I don't think you'll get very far.

This is a deliberate attempt to deceive. If I am wrong, which I'm not, then I will make a full and frank apology. But that won't be happening anytime soon.

[waveydavey]

I don't know dan I would agree that some of it looks a bit odd but the bits where morus is flying circuits it looks fine. Could the compression not make it look a bit sped up dropped frames that sort of thing. Ninja fingers the 2nd

[dani_r]

I don't know dan I would agree that some of it looks a bit odd but the bits where morus is flying circuits it looks fine. Could the compression not make it look a bit sped up dropped frames that sort of thing. Ninja fingers the 2nd

I see what you're saying, but that second video with the drumming, it's so obvious that the traffic moves quicker and the drumming gets faster, then it slows right down the moment that heli lands. That's a huge giveaway, surely? He is a fast pilot, but not 'that' fast.

Also, with regards to the stabilisation, that is not YouTubes own stabilisation. If it was you would get a very jagged running clip, it's terrible. An example of their stabilisation in effect is this video here of Tim flying his 770 the other day - (very nice by the way, Sir )

http://youtu.be/c2fgiN8vHGs

At about 26 seconds on you can see the heli moves across the sky and it adds like a jerky motion like lost frames, this is the effect YouTubes own stabilisation has on videos like ours. Imagine what it would do to a video like Marus' where it was already sped up. It would be a mess.

The stabilisation used by Marus is most likely After Effects 'Warp Stabiliser'. The way the camera moves, almost like it zooms in and then out right at the beginning as it squares up the frames, is a byproduct of the stabilisation process in After Effects in certain shots where the camera looks at the ground, or something closer, and then the rest of the clip is mainly focussed on a far away object of area, i.e., the sky.

My point there is that if there is AE or similar is in use then there is access to Premiere (or similar editing software) where footage can be made faster etc.

Also, another point, if that heli is spooling up to those headspeeds as quick as that and then doing mega 3D straight away, I'm surprised it's not stripping main gears straight away. I thought you should allow the gear to spool up, not turn on and whack 3000rpm through it within 3 seconds

[Morus]

in this video you can find the answer why is the drum rhythms are changing Sherlock

[jimbojetset]

in this video you can find the answer why is the drum rhythms are changing Sherlock

Well I can safely say I was NOT expecting that....

[Nick B]

Lol,in the first vid the grass moves faster a few seconds after the pilot is out of shot...there's also some fast lorries In background.

Not even the old scorpion esc's spoiled up that quick.

The flying is great though,I watched it at 0.75 speed and it looked great.

Come down charmouth and shut us all up

Be great to see you fly

[dani_r]

in this video you can find the answer why is the drum rhythms are changing Sherlock

I take it back - it's not a kid.

In that second video the sound of those drums CLEARLY changes tone. And stays that way all the way until the video is slowed down. And the traffic also moves much quicker. Can you explain the sudden change?

Also - can you confirm that some of your videos have gone through some sort of non-YouTube stablistaion (After Effects is my bet).

[Morus]

I take it back - it's not a kid.

In that second video the sound of those drums CLEARLY changes tone. And stays that way all the way until the video is slowed down. And the traffic also moves much quicker. Can you explain the sudden change?

Also - can you confirm that some of your videos have gone through some sort of non-YouTube stablistaion (After Effects is my bet).

You are getting a bit too far mate with your last two comments
I don't need to proof anything or explain myself but I already did enough of it
AND I told you don't be afraid to pay a visit we would love to see your goblin flying around

[Morus]

Lol,in the first vid the grass moves faster a few seconds after the pilot is out of shot...there's also some fast lorries In background.

Not even the old scorpion esc's spoiled up that quick.

The flying is great though,I watched it at 0.75 speed and it looked great.

Come down charmouth and shut us all up

Be great to see you fly

If YOU want to fly with us you are welcome to pay visit
I think this is the correct way isn't it?

[dani_r]

You are getting a bit too far mate with your last two comments
I don't need to proof anything or explain myself but I already did enough of it
AND I told you don't be afraid to pay a visit we would love to see your goblin flying around

Too far? I'm just asking for you to explain the changes in speed of the traffic going past as soon as you're out of shot, the way the drumming changes pitch and speed at exactly the same time too

Unfortuantely I am a little too far away, but I am keen to see you go. Get yourself to RCHA or AIR. I'll be there I'm not doubting that you're a fast pilot, not at all, but there is definitely something going on with your footage.

[Morus]

Too far? I'm just asking for you to explain the changes in speed of the traffic going past as soon as you're out of shot, the way the drumming changes pitch and speed at exactly the same time too

Unfortuantely I am a little too far away, but I am keen to see you go. Get yourself to RCHA or AIR. I'll be there I'm not doubting that you're a fast pilot, not at all, but there is definitely something going on with your footage.

"Mate, if you're trying to convince people - most likely sponsors/manufacturers - that you're some 3D smack god you're doing it all kinds of the wrong way. Practice is what makes a good fast pilot, and even then, not everyone has the 'skills to pay the bills' as it were"

this isn't asking it's more like insulting
I would love to see your face if you could stand next to me for a flight without jumping away...
I feel a bit sad ...about you of course
but it's ok I guess there is always one...
:/

[dani_r]

"Mate, if you're trying to convince people - most likely sponsors/manufacturers - that you're some 3D smack god you're doing it all kinds of the wrong way. Practice is what makes a good fast pilot, and even then, not everyone has the 'skills to pay the bills' as it were"

this isn't asking it's more like insulting
I would love to see your face if you could stand next to me for a flight without jumping away...
I feel a bit sad ...about you of course
but it's ok I guess there is always one...
:/

It's insulting to other pilots when you try to alter your footage, in such a clear way too. If a pilot can do all that, then great, even better if it's as fast as you claim. BUT - the footage says otherwise. You don't actually need to speed up footage to get love from us. There are all sorts of styles and speeds and everyone loves it, but this is just a bit much. As Nick says, it looked superb played at the 'correct' speed.

You crack on fella.

[Nick B]

If YOU want to fly with us you are welcome to pay visit
I think this is the correct way isn't it?

Come to charmouth weekend after next Lavardi,if the weather is good you will love it.

I am not putting you down with anything i have said,it just looks iffy...it's not like it looks like its been sped up a great deal,it just looks like 1.2x or there abouts.

TBH,i think i would much rather watching you fly a bit slower,the smack style of flying is not my cuppa i'm afraid.

I would not jump back if i was there cos i would already be yards away

[milly0812]

Spartan Vortex tuning test flight on Protos 500

Maybe you can do a 'Kyle Dahl' and do your next video with a CD player playing live whilst you are flying ???

Personally I can appreciate the skill involved with your flying but ' roadrunner smack' doesn't do it for me either mate



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