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**mrmurder1975** · 29-12-2011, 05:16 PM

dont use the sim but ive heard the mcpx on the sim is not very like the real thing. as for the dx6i,getting this will make your heli much much much better to fly. you can set it up exactly as you want it. you can have it lightening fast or as tame as the msr.i use the dx6i for this as well as my 450's and its the best investment you can make as a heli pilot.unless you can afford the dx8 or better! as for adjusting the links once you get a better tx,if you have very very little neg pitch it might be worth turning them down one turn,as you will need some neg if you are outside and there is a slight breeze,otherwise its just a case of leveling the swash,setting up the tx and your are good to go. i would also recommed the nano tech 300mah batterys over the stock ones,gives you more power (for getting out of trouble!) and longer flight times. if i were you id spend my time trying to master the hover with the stock tx untill you get your 6i...and once you get that and set up your heli,you wont look back. enjoy!

**spudly** · 29-12-2011, 05:35 PM

I personally have not heard of anyone having to mess around with the linkages on these. Are you sure the gear wheel is pressed fully up on the shaft as far as it will go?

**mrmurder1975** · 29-12-2011, 05:39 PM

there are many reports of people (including me!) having to give 2 full turns out on the links straight out of the box as the heli comes with more neg than pos pitch. but you are quite right to advise about the main gear that might of needed pushing up,forgot about that!

**spudly** · 29-12-2011, 05:44 PM

Im curious; how are you measuring the pitch on it to determine if you need to adjust linkages or not?

**RCCHOPPERSUK** · 29-12-2011, 07:55 PM

Sometimes a rebind helps too. The DX4e needs to be bound in a certain way. Apart from that, on the bottom of the heli, there should be some main shaft poking out through the main gear (about 2-3mm). Those gears sometimes need a real good push!!

Jake

**BavarianRob** · 29-12-2011, 10:27 PM

Originally posted by spudly View Post

I personally have not heard of anyone having to mess around with the linkages on these. Are you sure the gear wheel is pressed fully up on the shaft as far as it will go?

Hi Spudly,
Yes, gear wheel is good, I changed the linkages after some reaserch on tinternet, I also levelled the swashplate beforehand as recommended on some searches too. Seems to have paid off as its certainly better.
Cheers.
Rob

**BavarianRob** · 29-12-2011, 10:37 PM

Originally posted by spudly View Post

Im curious; how are you measuring the pitch on it to determine if you need to adjust linkages or not?

Hi Spudly,
I did the following to check the pitch; turned the blades back together as close as I could get them in line with the tail boom, placed heli on a flat level surface then switched on transmitter and connected flight battery. Put TX into throttle hold mode with throttle stick at minimum and raised the throttle stick till the blades were level (I believe this is zero pitch position?), this was achieved at about 70% of throttle stick travel so I turned the linkages by 3 turns anti clockwise and now zero pitch comes in at about 35% so as I understand it (I'm probably wrong!) itll be easier for me to take off at around 50-60% throttle and it should reduce the speed that the heli descends if I cut the controls to zero in an emergency while I'm learning. Am I on the right track with this?
Cheers.
Rob

**BavarianRob** · 29-12-2011, 10:44 PM

Originally posted by mrmurder1975 View Post

dont use the sim but ive heard the mcpx on the sim is not very like the real thing.

Hi Mrmurder1975,
Cheers for this, was going to buy the DX6i and sim together to save me breaking (more) parts and just for practice on the dark nights (the wife has banned me from flying in the house till I get better, she has been taking the mickey for the last two days! Will getting the DX6i make that much difference that I won't need Phoenix? I suppose I've got to crash a lot to rack up the cost of parts against the cost of the sim?
Cheers.
Rob

**paulsouthport** · 29-12-2011, 10:49 PM

Hi Rob

Ideally you want 0 degrees pitch to be at mid-stick, that will stand you in good stead for when you progress to larger helis.
What you say about cutting the throttle is true, but is less of an issue on the mcpx because the blades stop very quickly at 0 throttle. I'm afraid I'm not familiar with the DX4e or it's workings, does it have idle up and throttle hold switches? Ideally, get used to using the throttle hold (if it has one) in an emergency, rather than dumping the stick to 0. This is especially relevent when you use idle up (for inverted etc.) as dumping the left stick in IU will give you full throttle and full neg pitch.

**BavarianRob** · 29-12-2011, 11:01 PM

Hi Paul,
I'm trying to get the heli reasonably easy to fly for the time being till I get the DX6i so I'll definitely set it up properly with zero pitch at 50% when I have mastered the hover. I think the problem at the moment is that the DX4e that came with the heli doesn't have the ability to alter the pitch curve so I've had to set it on the heli manually (at least I think that's what I've done!) I just want to get stable and hovering to get the hang of it for a couple of weeks really and just wanted to make sure I'm on the right lines with it?
Cheers.
Rob

**paulsouthport** · 29-12-2011, 11:11 PM

Hi Rob
I think you're right, the DX4e is a limiting factor. I suspect it has been preprogrammed with 2 fixed pitch curves, 1 for normal and 1 for IU. In either case it should be 0 pitch at mid stick. The difference is the normal mode will only give a few degrees of negative, the curve is curved, IU will give full neg - the curve is in fact linear.
Have you tried using the rate switch? That should tame it down a bit. The mcpx is not an easy heli to master, it's just too small, quick and light, but it can be very well behaved. The inportant thing is to use very small multiple stick movements rather than big deflections. It just takes time to get the thumb memory - reactions have to be instinctive. Until then it will keep hitting the ground, which is to be expected. As long as you are over soft carpet or grass it should survive well, provided you use throttle hold to kill the motor.

A sim is an excellent way to get that thumb memory. Not the only way, but at least nothing gets broken!

**mrmurder1975** · 29-12-2011, 11:30 PM

i personally have never used a sim,a quick go on the esky one when i forst started out was enough to let me know i wouldnt like them.but others swear by them,i guess its a personal thing.i have heard lots of people say you have to do way to much fiddling about changing the settings on the sim to get the mcpx on there to behave like the real thing,again,this is only what ive heard so dont take my word for it! i can however comment on the dx6i,being as i own one. the mcpx becomes a diffrent beast completely once you get that tx,you can tune it to exactly how you want it to fly. i honestly think your progress with this little heli will come on leaps and bounds once you have more options as to how you want it to behave.you can have it nice and gentle for indoor slow circuits and hovering,then flick the d/r switch once you get outside and have it behave like a hummingbird on speed....or somewhere in between! the choice as they say,is yours! if i were you,and this is only what id do,id give the sim a miss and stock up on spare parts instead,you will need them at some point,dx6i or not.. and at least that way when you crash and break or lose something,you will have that part on hand and you can be straight back up in the air again.

oh and just to +1 on what paul said, throttle hold will and should become your new best friend!

**BavarianRob** · 29-12-2011, 11:45 PM

Hi Paul,
Yes, got the rate switch on low, and that has helped too. I have noticed a small improvement in the few hours I have been flying it so I'm sure I will improve (slowly). Thanks for your help, much appreciated.
Cheers.
Rob.

**BavarianRob** · 29-12-2011, 11:49 PM

Originally posted by mrmurder1975 View Post

i personally have never used a sim,a quick go on the esky one when i forst started out was enough to let me know i wouldnt like them.but others swear by them,i guess its a personal thing.i have heard lots of people say you have to do way to much fiddling about changing the settings on the sim to get the mcpx on there to behave like the real thing,again,this is only what ive heard so dont take my word for it! i can however comment on the dx6i,being as i own one. the mcpx becomes a diffrent beast completely once you get that tx,you can tune it to exactly how you want it to fly. i honestly think your progress with this little heli will come on leaps and bounds once you have more options as to how you want it to behave.you can have it nice and gentle for indoor slow circuits and hovering,then flick the d/r switch once you get outside and have it behave like a hummingbird on speed....or somewhere in between! the choice as they say,is yours! if i were you,and this is only what id do,id give the sim a miss and stock up on spare parts instead,you will need them at some point,dx6i or not.. and at least that way when you crash and break or lose something,you will have that part on hand and you can be straight back up in the air again.

oh and just to +1 on what paul said, throttle hold will and should become your new best friend!

Cheers for this, much appreciated, will also be getting into the habit of using throttle hold too. I'll update things in a few weeks when I get the new controller. Can't wait!
Thanks.
Rob.

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