Beam Avangarde.....yumie

[Fabien]

What's the ideal battery size for this?

Hi,

i tested different configurations and the best one i could find for Balance ( CG ), power and flight duration is with no doubt when using 2x 6S 3000 mAh ( in my case Optipower LiPos that i grabbed in UK when Andy tested the Beam) . I think any 3000's 6S lipos x 2 would do the job (30C batteries for 3D, 20 / 25C with no problems for smooth aerobatics and beginners).
The hardest choice has been the motor. I tried the Scorpion 4025 - 560 and 630 Kv, they are very powerfull but grind a lot the flight time for no real bonus in power ( i mean there is no real use of it), then i dropped in the Outrage 4125-560 Kv with a 13T pinion and this has been the best combo i could get. Nick was flying my own AvantGarde in Orlando and here is the full setup of it just in case :

- OPtipower batteries 2x 6S 3000 mAh ( was their third cycle lol )
- Outrage 4125-560 Kv motor
- CC Ice 2HV 120A ( but a 80 would do the job easy i think, i'll check the logs from Nick's flight and will post them)
- Nexus 616 Mg HV @6.8V on swash
- BLS 251 with stepdown ( 5.9V) on tail
- Gryphon Quasar Hyper BEc set at 6.8V
- 8 Channel receiver Spektrum for Nick, for myself OPtima 9 channel receiver with telemetry module
- 615 mm FBL blades from Gryphon, 139 grams ones
- 95 mm tail Radix blades
- +12 / -12 pitch for flying and Autorotation ( the Gryphon are very powerfull on Auto so 14° is called " Autokill" by myself, guess why.. )
- Beast X V3.08 with all stock setup, no pitch boost ( no need with the Gryphon they are sensitive around neutral pitch), no cyclic acceleration
- Max. Cyclic ring as possible
- 2300 RPM on set RPM

I have 2x 3300 Thunder Power 65C's to test but they are pretty heavy and give me a good nose in CG on the heli, and also give a lot of inertia, pretty disturbing in fast pyros manoevers as the heli will " dance" like a plate around it's axis forward / backward even if the FBL system keeps it dead leveled. This is a Con's for 3D but a good setup for fast flying / large aerobatics. But i'll try again and see.

With the 4125-560 KV we could achieve 4mn and 55 seconds with the 2600 's batteries and i can tell after checking Nick's flight log how it went with the 3000's. With a low head speed for gentle learning / hovering i was surprised to reach over 8 mn with the 2600's in my garden, so a bunch of 3000's or 3300's would be adream configuration for a beginner willing to make large circuits / hoverning with a non scarying head speed.

BEst regards,

Fabien

Ps: you will find all these informations within one / two weeks on En construction as i'm setting up a small website for general informations / tips and tricks for the Beam heli range.

[debrooker]

Pretty honest, saying what works, what doesn't

[Fabien]

Hi,

Thanks for your post

People who will get a AvantGarde will fly it so it's better to give the right infos, especially for beginners as experienced pilots will know what they want as a setup ))

I would rather prefer the " future" customers coming back to their LHS to buy additional batteries rather than to complain about an awful setup they can't fly ( lol ).

A heli flight characteristics are mostly depending on the care during assembly, gear mesh tuning and final setup. THe perfect "gap" is to use either a throttle curve or a governor, between 60 and 75% throttle when practicing for beginners / learning pilots, with +10 / -2° pitch ( to avoid exploding the heli on the ground when performing hops as the reflex is to lower the throttle stick most of time..) . -2° is needed of you have front wind to be able to land, simply, or the heli will simply glide in the wind, can be stressful ....


Especially, beginners and intermediate pilots wishing a "decent" setup to have long flight times to train in hovering, 8 circuits, nose in and so on do not give a sh.. about insane power, most of them would like to fly longer ( i will be trying some other motors and setups, less powerfull, for more flight time), and also have less stress on their batteries to keep them longer ( batteries are expensive...) .

6S / 6000 or 6600 Mah setup works pretty well with a 1100 kV (around) motor also from what i heard, with the Trex 600 motor or any equivalent, i would say the Zpower should be fine and also Hacker motors or Plettenberg motors ( the 30-12 from Plettenberg seems a good thing to try), or even the Pyro from Kontronik.

For a beginner a good setup would be either 6S or 12S, 12S the Outrage motor really rocks, it can hover gently or give plenty of power, and for 6S definitly best bang for the buck a Align 600 MX motor ( 1220 Kv) or something like that.


Then, for 3d, 2300 to 2400 HS, 12S, 560 to 630 KV with 13T or 12T and lot of pitch and everything does the trick ))))

Best regards,

Fabien