CSM Flybarless Mod to T600N work in progress

[Ade_Law]

nice neat install jason.

i thought one of the things you need to do is to lengthen the pitch arms on the blade grips so you get the same amount of pitch range for the same amount of swash plate travel?

Ade

[Edders]

Heres Mine not as Clean as yours but im working on a v2 as we speak

[Arky]

Ade if you have a decent high quality swash plate with no play (Quick UK) then this way works, i have loads of pitch range with no hint of binding anywhere, Note: the Align swash is CRAP mine fell apart before i even did this mod, so i opted for a Quk one, we both know a certain person who is i believe is on his fourth.

Bud (Quick UK) has been very helpfull as he has machined the blade grip standoffs and the swash extension standoff for me.

the 2 to 1 ratio is done on mine with the servo wheels


Nice one Edders keep up the good work

Jason

[Arky]

Photed by Mr Clarkie (thanks)

[abyiss]

looks the dogs nutz..

carnt wait to fit the system to my synergy..

keep up the good work,,arky

[richieclarkie]

Had a flight with Jasons flybarless today. The first thing you notice is how solid it feels in the hover, almost planted on the spot. Flying around was definitely a different experience than flybarred in that the heli seems to hold position more

However Jason was playing with the set up and by the time I flew it the cyclics had been slowed down (in error). It meant that I didn't feel very comfortable with any 3D stuff as the roll and flip rate was too slow for me.

The mod Jason has done is very neat and would easily be something a manufacturer could supply as a flybarless mod. Very impressive install Jason

Spoke to Jason later on tonite and he's done a whole load of changes to the setup and rekons it will be ballistic.

Look forward to it!

[abyiss]

it kinda makes me wont to ,pull my finger out and start fitting mine to my synergy,,

but im a bit lost on the set-up..(and i dont wona distroy my heli,
so any help i would be truly greatful..

[trvo]

Steve, if you're uncomfortable then give us a shout, I'll set her up for you. I've made loads of mods to my setup and it's never been unflyable, even with the gyros turned off!

Trev

[abyiss]

bless ya trev,,i will take u up on that man,,
what im lost on is the setup on the swash and pitch arms..lengths.
as i see you have to mod the swashout..
(i'll finish the v-max then i will start on the synergy,i hope to starting synergy mid week next week,
ive bought the the kit..(and i need to do a complete re-wire and install.to get eveything to fit.
i could do with seeing another synergy that has the system fitted..to get the idear of the swash-out set-up.
and also need to source some new swashout arms..

i completey trust your input t..
look forward to getting started on the install,,(wont be very long and we'll get started.

[trvo]

Hey Steve, no problem, I'm off to Taiwan tonight so won't be around till Thurs next week but bring it down the field when I'm back and I'll explain whats needed.

Trev

[Edders]

Hope this helps
photo of Duncans flybarless N9

[abyiss]

bugger me,thats a mental rotorhead mod..
some kinda clamp around the head-block,,holding the pitch arms in place.
now im realy lost...

trev you luck man,,(hope you bring back to goodies..)have a safe trip dude..talk 2 ya when you home man.

[wildpalms]

I'm interested in going flybarless with a Trex 600 and understand the basics but not everything.

Got a grasp on the electronics side of things. Already have a Cyclock fitted.

Was thinking this part might work well to drive the swash plate: http://gb.vario-helicopter.biz/shop/...ducts_id=30985

I understand you can then drive the blade grips directly from the swash. Been looking at the Logo 500 diagrams and the pictures in this thread.

What other issues/changes are there? Control ratios etc.

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Dave

[Tean]

Here's a couple of pics of my 600E conversion. I have been flying this with no gyros to test it and it's quite manageable, even in today's gusty wind.

Also a pic of my Logo500 which is just about tweeked out now.

A couple of suggestions for Arky:
Firstly I would advise against making lots of radical changes all at once as it's very hard to know what the effect of each change is. I would suggest that you set both modes the same and then tweek one thing at a time so you can clearly feel the difference when you switch between modes. In this way, you can home in on your ideal setup.
Second, if you're having trouble with it pitching up in FFF, try increasing the heading lock gain on the elevator.

[trvo]

Dave, the swash driver is quite heavy and since it only acts on one side of the swash it causes vibration. I had one on my setup.

Trev