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  • Trex 600LE with the shakes.

    Just flown brand new Trex600 LE first flight today. After some minor tweaking of the gyro to stop the tail twitching, i've still got a fairly vigorous oscillation.

    I know there's already a thread about shaking in a Trex600, have had a look through it and still can't narrow down the poblem.

    First noticed the problem during the first few hovers. Just as the heli get's off the deck it tends to wobble forwards and backwards - not hugely, but enough to set up a slight see saw movement. It tends to correct itself. Headspeed in the hover is about 1900rpm.

    When in the hover and the pitch is brought down to land, the wobble starts again. If i flick into idle up 1, the oscillation stops immediately with the higher head speed. However if i punch in full pitch after about 4-5 seconds it starts to shake quite substantially. Reducing the pitch and it stops.

    It seems if the pitch is around mid stick (about 5degrees) in fast forward flight - all is good, but if i put in full pitch and fly forwards, a fairly strong forward backword movement of the nose starts.

    It appears to be coming from what i can see from the head somewhere. Have read through previous threads and tightened all bolts in the swash control assembly. There's plenty of grease in the head bearings, and they are all assembled correctly. All bearings and parts are brand new. The tracking of the blades appears to be ok.

    The engine is new, and running on 1.5 turns open, and is on the rich side, but i don't think that this is the cause. Only one other thing it might be - i checked the pitch on the blades, one blade is about .5 degrees off the other blade throughout the pitch curve. So i'll try and get them exactly the same, and see if this fixes the problem tomorrow.

    Just wondering if anyone had experienced the same problems, or has any further ideas?

    Cheers,

    Gareth.
    If everything seems under control.........you're not going fast enough

  • #2
    Might sound silly but I have done it before.

    Are the pins in the guide??
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    • #3
      Yup, pins are in there alright, made sure before when i was setting up the pitch, as too much negative pitch, and they're off!

      Cheers anyway!
      If everything seems under control.........you're not going fast enough

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      • #4
        Headspeed sounds too low. You running a gov?

        How tight are the blades?
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        • #5
          Yeah running a gov head speed about 1900 in norm, 2200 in idle up 1 and 2400 in idle up 2.

          Governer light is green and appears to be working ok, although i'm fairly new to gov's. Magnets are installed in the correct orientation. Although when i reduce the pitch and descend the head and engine speed increases, and then the engine skips for a second, then kicks in again. Perhaps there's an issue here?
          If everything seems under control.........you're not going fast enough

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          • #6
            Blades might be a bit tight?
            low head speed with hard head dampers?
            Pitch is that on the same side of the swash or looking from the other side?
            plus the rich engine
            good luck
            Cheers Paul

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            • #7
              Originally posted by gareth08 View Post
              Yeah running a gov head speed about 1900 in norm, 2200 in idle up 1 and 2400 in idle up 2.

              Governer light is green and appears to be working ok, although i'm fairly new to gov's. Magnets are installed in the correct orientation. Although when i reduce the pitch and descend the head and engine speed increases, and then the engine skips for a second, then kicks in again. Perhaps there's an issue here?
              1900 might be a bit low to get rid of the hard dampers wobbble.
              But 2400 is way to high, you will be on the thin line of blowing the engine at that speed, 2200 should be the max really.
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              • #8
                That is quite a high headspeed for idle 2..

                What engine rpm is the gov set for? 17500 is mine.

                If its a new engine id disable the gov tbh to get it tuned right for 4 - 5 tanks or so.
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                • #9
                  Thanks for the heads up guys. I haven't actually used idle 2 yet. Probably for the best by the sounds of it.

                  Well drop it down to about 2200rpm..... according to the manual in idle 1 with a head seed of 2311 the engine RPM is 19640 so 2200rpm it will be at about 19000rpm. It's an OS50SX

                  I'm running hard dampers, so perhaps with the low head speed at 1900 in the hover, it's causing issues, although in Idle 1 with the higher head speed, at full chat and pitch it's still shaking, unless the governer isn't working and the headspeed it reducing?
                  If everything seems under control.........you're not going fast enough

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                  • #10
                    Engine had only had 3 tanks of opti 20 through it, so it's nowhere near run in yet
                    If everything seems under control.........you're not going fast enough

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                    • #11
                      Thats still a high engine rpm im sure.

                      17500rpm from the engine is what you should be aiming for on a 600, if someone could confirm that though.

                      Cant see the gov being the problem, but id definitely disable it and tune the engine and get the curves as good as possible.
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                      • #12
                        Not sure of the engine speed, but 2200rpm on the head is great for full chat 3d flying, have my align gov set at 102%
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                        • #13
                          These figures are from a previous post of mine.

                          Originally posted by sacko View Post
                          Low - 1950 headspeed which is 16575 engine rpm
                          Hi - 2050 headspeed which is 17425 engine rpm
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                          • #14
                            Nice one guys,

                            Will sort out the pitch exactly, and punch in some figures to the governer, which should give me the desired headspeeds, and see what happens to the shaking.

                            Rome wasn't built in a day.........so they say!
                            If everything seems under control.........you're not going fast enough

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                            • #15
                              Think i've discovered the problem. Turns out i'm a numpty!

                              I think the expression RTFM comes to mind. I'm using mixing to run the Gov. I have the Gov in the gear channel of my AR7000. I think i don't have the DX7 setup correctly. I've setup the appropriate head speeds using the ATV rates and GEAR>GEAR mixing.

                              However in the root menu i hadn't switched GEAR to INH - which from what i can see allows the mixing to take place.

                              So i think what was happening was although the green light was showing on the gyro, it was controlling the square root of FA! Which meant the throttle curves i'd setup where being used, and when i put pitch in, the headspeed was slowing down and the vibration from the dampers was kicking in - I THINK!

                              Setup my TX/Gov as per the following post by 'stockracing' -

                              Align Governor Installed........VERY Easy - HeliFreak

                              Problem was i hadn't setup INH on the GEAR channel, will see what happens tomorrow...........
                              If everything seems under control.........you're not going fast enough

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