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  • 700 main gear stripping

    After about 6 gallons my main gear stripped in flight. The noise it made was incredible. I thought a bearing in the engine had self destructed initally. Anyway, I put another main gear in, and the same happened a gallon later. I know this happened to Duncan Osbourne at a competition. I believe he put it down to the bearings in the pinion bearing block moving. Assurance RC (the US align Distributor) have advised to modify the backlash between the drive pinion and the main gear. There is a chap producing a metal bearing block which he claims will fix the problem. And now I hear align is producing a beefier main gear......all in all it a bit confusing ! Does anyone here have any advice? All I know is I need to fix this problem and stop it happening again, and again!

    http://www.helifreak.com/showthread.php?t=94692

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    Also, I received an email from Kyna at Assurance today stating this about the main gear stripping issue:


    Quote:
    We have had reports of main gears stripping on the T-Rex 700 and have noticed on some models that the gear mesh between the main and pinion gear is too loose. The easiest way to resolve this is to move the pinion gear (clutch bearing block) closer to the main gear. First remove the clutch bearing block and remove the plastic ears from each side with a sharp hobby knife. Second drill the 4 holes in the frames where the clutch bearing block bolts go through to a diameter of 5.0-5.5 mm. Third re-install the clutch bearing block and adjust the mesh so that the clutch bell has only the smallest amount backlash.
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    It looks like it's the plastic in the pinion gear bearing block compressing over time and obvoiusly the more power you have the quicker this is likely to show up if at all.
    The plastic compresses and allows a little sideways movement between the bearing and block so that the pinion can just move a little out of alignment.
    Note we are talking about sideways movement developing here not front to back, the torque reaction would cause the pinion to want to push away from the main gear!
    Wayne's solution was to skim the faces of the bearing block so they clamp the bearings a little tighter, he also shortened the two hex spacers which pass though this just a fraction so again everything would clamp up tighter.

    As I said Duncan flew the model a lot over the weekend and it seems to be holding up fine, to be fair Duncan had well over 150 flights on this model (and you know they wouldn't have been gentle flights!) before the gear went so it's not like the model is under engineered.

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    Oliver Crawford - Align 12S T-rex 600e, Align 610 x3, Spartan 760, tail Align 620, Scorpion 4025-630 KV, Bec pro, Castle Creations HV 80A ice.

    Align T-rex 700e, Align 610 x3, 3g, Spartan 760,Align 650, Bec pro, Castle Creations HV 110A.

  • #2
    align have released new main gears to apparently fix this. the part number now has -1 added to end of it.

    cheers

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    • #3
      Main gears won't have any effect on the pinion bearing blocks wearing though... apart from being more resilient to stripping when the pinion bounces off it?

      Perhaps a metal bearing block upgrade is in the pipeline?

      Cheers,
      Rob
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      • #4
        I took out the second gear today first was a week before the 3D Champs bit of a pain but nothing too serious


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        • #5
          Well thats Bollo

          if u move the bearing block then it ain't gonna line up with the motor.

          a 90 is gonna punnish ya for that.

          d ya know what , at 3quid per flight in fuel a main gear now and then is nothing.

          my that was flippant . i think the metal block would be the best fix but at the mo mine is still tight as a tiger.

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          • #6
            rob, i completely agree about the main gear.

            i'm not saying it is THE fix but it's the align fix.

            imo the lack of a 3rd bearing block is the true problem and the clutch stack.

            cheers

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            • #7
              Originally posted by colin n View Post
              if u move the bearing block then it ain't gonna line up with the motor.

              a 90 is gonna punnish ya for that.

              d ya know what , at 3quid per flight in fuel a main gear now and then is nothing.

              my that was flippant . i think the metal block would be the best fix but at the mo mine is still tight as a tiger.
              You don't seriously think a £5 maingear every gallon is OK?
              Oliver Crawford - Align 12S T-rex 600e, Align 610 x3, Spartan 760, tail Align 620, Scorpion 4025-630 KV, Bec pro, Castle Creations HV 80A ice.

              Align T-rex 700e, Align 610 x3, 3g, Spartan 760,Align 650, Bec pro, Castle Creations HV 110A.

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              • #8
                There are quite a few threads on various forums around this problem. Align are putting the problem down to the main gear being too flexible and the mesh not being tight enough. The new version of the main gear is a slightly larger diameter and is more robust to avoid flexing, I'll probably get one when I get around to it but I'm obviously not flying it hard enough as mine is still fine
                Steve H

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                • #9
                  Wayne Osbourne saw the problem as the pinion holder which is plastic crushing and allowing the space for the pinion to move around. New main gear or not that is still going to happen. The best fix for this is to stop it happening and that to me is a metal pinion holder.
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                  • #10
                    I agrere with Ash. I don't think the new main gear is the complete solution, there is more to it than that. I would prefer a metal pinion holder for sure.
                    Oliver Crawford - Align 12S T-rex 600e, Align 610 x3, Spartan 760, tail Align 620, Scorpion 4025-630 KV, Bec pro, Castle Creations HV 80A ice.

                    Align T-rex 700e, Align 610 x3, 3g, Spartan 760,Align 650, Bec pro, Castle Creations HV 110A.

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                    • #11
                      LOL
                      Can anyone else see post 3 in this thread or is it just me
                      ROFL

                      Cheers,
                      Rob
                      Team Align, Midland Helicopters, Optifuel, Cyclone Blades, Scorpion Motors, Thunder Power, Savox Servos, JR Propo

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                      • #12
                        Dude.

                        its all about WHO says it....

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                        • #13
                          ROFL

                          My bad... I'll get my coat
                          LOL
                          Cheers,
                          Rob
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                          | 3D Championship

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                          • #14
                            Originally posted by robgt View Post
                            LOL
                            Can anyone else see post 3 in this thread or is it just me
                            ROFL

                            Cheers,
                            Rob

                            sorry dd you say something?


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                            • #15
                              tight as a tiger
                              is this tighter or less tight than "tight as a mouses ear"?
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