unreal

[Asid]

Thats about 16 hours at minimum wage. Try writing some software and see how little you produce in 16 hours.

I was not aware that i was the only person to purchase Phoenix.

I take it all back

[Dannyyy]

A simple solution to all this



Don't go on-line.

[Asid]

A simple solution to all this



Don't go on-line.

Can i get a refund then? As it doesn't do what it's advertised as doing.

[robgt]

You generally can't get a refund on software once it is opened.
You could always sell it on though... if you are sure you can't get it fixed in your circumstances. Seems a shame to give up on the best heli sim available
Phoenix works fine online for me and countless others, so it does what it is advertised as doing. I guess they can't print on the box who should buy it based on a persons individual computer/network setup - that would take a heck of a lot of research, and require a bigger box for the printing, I'm sure

Cheers,
Rob

[Asid]

I guess they can't print on the box who should buy it based on a persons individual computer/network setup - that would take a heck of a lot of research, and require a bigger box for the printing, I'm sure

Cheers,
Rob

Downloadable PDF Rob

[trvo]

Can I have a refund as I'm unhappy with the fact that mines working flawlessly and I feel left out of this discussion because of that

Trev

[msssltd]

I was not aware that i was the only person to purchase Phoenix.

I did not say you were. I suggested you spent 16 hours writing software. I think it would help you to better appreciate just how much hard work and heartache has gone into producing Phoenix. Just how many copies, at appx £44. each, need to be sold to make it a worth while endeavour to continue with.

To be clear about an earlier point. It wasn't me calling anyone stupid. Clearly, you are not stupid. The word I used was 'ignorant.' Someone that does not know something. I am ignorant when it comes to 3D flying, for instance and I am quite happy to admit it.

I am not trying to pick a fight here. No one can make you understand what you do not want to understand.

[oneandonlyian]

I have done the port forwarding and still nothing happens.

As for don't use or download BETA. If i dont download beta im not fully up to date and the 1000's of people who have downloaded the Beta wont be able to go online with me and I will not get the benefits of a smooth off line sim use.

If i no longer want to use the beta version do i have to uninstall Pheonix and reinstall all the previous updates again.

I usually go online to either spectate and watch how a certain move is done watch how my freinds around the uk are progressing and have people advise me on new moves or techniques so it is a great tool more than a sim for me.

All was well and always has been until the latest Beta update. hope they can sort it soon.

PLAY NICE GUYS lol

[Asid]

To be clear about an earlier point. It wasn't me calling anyone stupid. Clearly, you are not stupid. The word I used was 'ignorant.' Someone that does not know something. I am ignorant when it comes to 3D flying, for instance and I am quite happy to admit it

I actually know a thing or two about programming/software dev/networking/marketing and business.

I have a degree in Mechatronic Engineering so i am not ignorant in the problems here

[msssltd]

...using ourPhoenixNet online session-finding service to easily create, locate and join sessions around the world.(

Which you can. Once you have joined a session the traffic goes P2P (direct between players) and PhoenixNet has no control over the end user QoS.

if you live in the uk your broadband is crap so it might not work so lobby your mp)

That is the short of it yes.
British broadband "among slowest in Europe" | Broadband | News | PC Pro
That was in 2007 and things have only gotten worse.

The latest ISP craze is traffic shaping, which reduces end user QoS by stealth. During peak times, certain traffic is prioritised over other traffic. My own ISP recently doubled my connection speed for nothing, but over a period of a month my average throughput has fallen, thanks to the traffic shaping policy.

The writing to your MP is quite important at the moment. There is a consultation document going through the motions that will spell out what the ISPs and carriers have to deliver for the next 20 years or so. Last time I looked they were proposing to guarantee a blistering speed, just slightly quicker than a 28K modem. Pitiful.

[Asid]

Can I have a refund as I'm unhappy with the fact that mines working flawlessly and I feel left out of this discussion because of that

Trev

You generally can't get a refund on software once it is opened.
You could always sell it on though... if you are sure you can't mess it up in

[Dannyyy]

Anyone wanna Phoenix session?

[Asid]

Anyone wanna Phoenix session?

To late... i sold it

[Smoothound]

Having read this thread through and now able to see the limitations of the networking side of the software/implementation I can sort of see the problems as they are

I had always been led to believe that there was a server running all the sessions. Now I know it is run on a peer to peer basis and only as good as the host PC I can see why it often fails miserably I still don't get why this info was hidden by the maker and when people moaned were constantly told to fiddle with their ports on a regular basis as there was no known problem apart from that

I'd say that it's time for Runtime to come clean and admit the networking issues and state on the box that it is a peer to peer networking system and it's only as good as the host PC. Far better than claiming it's a fully working Gold Master

Is there a CoP for PC software development? I guess not as M$ never adhered fully to HTML coding guidlines did they so I guess it's a free for all, no wonder there are so many PC virii and Trojans written

[Asid]

Anyway thats enough from me folks