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  • Phnoenix sim issues

    Hey all, I managed to get a copy of phoenix sim on the week end and am really enjoying myself.

    Firstly, the sim looks awsome but as far as the flying goes I'm having some issues. either my trex450 is set up really wrong or there is something wrong with the sim(maybe I calibrated it wrong). Besides for the fact that all the sticks do the same things they are totally different.

    Things that are different:

    1. On my trex, the throttle is way more sensitive. In the sim I can punch the throttle full positive and sit back and kick my feet up while I watch the heli slowly lifting, in real life it will be a matter 1-2 seconds and the heli will be a tiny dot in the sky. forward flight also seems slow.

    2. There is something strange with autorotations. I can gain some altitude, turn on throttle hold, put the stick to full negative (with my curves it should only be about -2 or -3) and the heli will drift down so slowly that I can land it without even putting some positive when I get close to the ground. I have to really concentrate one landing perfectly.

    3. Full negative (once again -2 or -3 .... 40 on the curve) does not give me nearly the same effect I have in real life, in real life the heli will slam down into the ground, on the sim it slowly drifts down. Come to think of it, I cant get close to full negative in real life before the heli starts dropping like a rock.

    4. When turning/banking in real life I will start gaining altitude as soon as I go into the turn. On the sim, as soon as I go into the turn the heli starts falling to the ground almost as if I went into the turn without any speed.

    5. In terms of speed I fly at 125 sim speed with full throttle and it seems closer to real life than anything else.

    6. every now and again when I load a default model it cant fly, it spools up slowly and just as its about to lift, it tears apart into a million pieces.

    I use the same curves as I do in real life [pitch - 40; 45; 50; 75; 100 / Throttle - 0; 60; 80; 90; 100]. Some of the issues are sorted out when I disable the gonvenor, but then the tail wags like crazy

    Lastly, I just want to stress the fact that I'm not trying to slam phoenix here, I'm simply trying to sort out some issues I have.

    Any suggestions? Should I maybe try a complete fresh resetup, on the pc and on the transmitter?

    I dont know

    Craig

    Edit: Looking at this post now I realise how long it is, sorry for that, but I just spent a lot of money (for me at least) on this sim and I want to make it work for me

  • #2
    I had my copy of Phoenix checked out by a TREX 450 flyer (my real heli is still in the final stages of building). He said it was pretty close to real life.

    Here what I did

    1) Set up my DX7 TX for the real heli

    normal mode throttle 0,50,80,90,100
    normal mode pitch 42.5,46,50,75,100
    throttle hold pitch linear from 0 to 100
    stunt 1 throttle 100,90,80,90,100
    stunt 1 pitch linear from 0 to 100
    stunt 2 as stunt 1

    On the real heli that gives me -2 to +10 degrees on collective and +/- 6 degrees on cyclic in normal mode. I don't intend using stunt for a while

    TX exponential rates set at +20 on elevator and aileron

    2) Made a copy of the above model setup in the TX (called it TREXSIM)

    3) Changed the swash in TREXSIM to "1 servo norm"

    4) Ran the radio setup in Phoenix, selected Spektrum as my radio and registered all the switches and stick travels

    5) Selected TREX Sport as the model

    And all is cool

    Oh Phoenix is version 1.04i

    Hope this helps
    Snarf

    Scale - Aerospatiale SA 315B Lama, Bell UH-1B Huey, Bell AH-1 Cobra, Bolkow BO-105, Hughes 500E
    Sport - Trex 450 SE V2
    JR DSX9 | Cellpro 10s | Phoenix

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    • #3
      I agree, there are loads of issues with Phoeninx which quite frankly make it unrealistic.

      There are no cars on any of the flying sites, so how did I get to where I am flying?

      I have never seen, or felt those annoying baby spiders and have yet to have a fly go up my nose n Phoenix, regular things that happen on the real thing.

      One of the sites is DMHC and yet there are no sound effects of Richie and Trev flogging the Trex/Knight argument to death.

      I have yet to snap a single blade in Phoenix, and there is no model shops to buy spare parts.

      The Knight 3d will go on forever on the same rear engine bearing.
      Clones are bad


      .... that includes Align ones

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      • #4
        One of the sites is DMHC and yet there are no sound effects of Richie and Trev flogging the Trex/Knight argument to death.
        I'm sure Richie could record us at it and post an mp3 that you can play whilst flying...

        Trev
        Sent from my PC using Windows 7

        - CSM
        - Midland Helicopters

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        • #5
          I did that now. didnt really fix anything

          I started playing with all the settings again and have managed to get it flying a lot better. I turned up the head speed on the sim, set the max, mid and min pitch, I set the sim speed to 115 and truned off the govener. Now the only thing thats still a bit of a problem is the tail is a bit wobbly now and then. hehe.. getting there slowly but surely.

          Quick question, is there a model available for download of the se v2 canopy?

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          • #6
            Originally posted by Thomas View Post
            I agree, there are loads of issues with Phoeninx which quite frankly make it unrealistic.

            There are no cars on any of the flying sites, so how did I get to where I am flying?

            I have never seen, or felt those annoying baby spiders and have yet to have a fly go up my nose n Phoenix, regular things that happen on the real thing.

            One of the sites is DMHC and yet there are no sound effects of Richie and Trev flogging the Trex/Knight argument to death.

            I have yet to snap a single blade in Phoenix, and there is no model shops to buy spare parts.

            The Knight 3d will go on forever on the same rear engine bearing.
            Sorry man, I'm trying to figure out what you getting at here? are you trying to say that I'm nit-picking?

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            • #7
              Basicly talking bollocks as I usually do on here, Monday afternoon - bored stupid - so can either stir up a Trex/Vibe/Knight hornets nest or talk crap about Phoenix, Phoenix won as couldn't bare to side with either Trev or Richie on the Knight/Trex thing as the pair of them talk out of their backsides more than I do
              Clones are bad


              .... that includes Align ones

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              • #8
                lol, I have ammo against the knight which I promised I wouldn't use so please don't tempt me...

                Trev
                Sent from my PC using Windows 7

                - CSM
                - Midland Helicopters

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                • #9
                  Okay... you guys are weird

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                  • #10
                    Originally posted by trvo View Post
                    lol, I have ammo against the knight which I promised I wouldn't use so please don't tempt me...

                    Trev
                    ere, it that the same ammo that shot Ade's out of the sky with?

                    Originally posted by twism View Post
                    Okay... you guys are weird
                    Me, nah, I'm normal it's the rest of them you need to keep an eye on.
                    Clones are bad


                    .... that includes Align ones

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                    • #11
                      Originally posted by twism View Post
                      Okay... you guys are weird
                      No, it's just Thomas and his "humor"
                      Cheers, Lee.
                      Proud recipient of an EGS

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                      • #12
                        gonna quit the helis and get me an outfit like http://www.killsometime.com/video/video.asp?ID=1040
                        Clones are bad


                        .... that includes Align ones

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                        • #13
                          Wanna buy me one while you're at it...?

                          Trev
                          Sent from my PC using Windows 7

                          - CSM
                          - Midland Helicopters

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                          • #14
                            Awesome.

                            Cheers,
                            Rob
                            Team Align, Midland Helicopters, Optifuel, Cyclone Blades, Scorpion Motors, Thunder Power, Savox Servos, JR Propo

                            | 3D Championship

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                            • #15
                              i'll have some of that
                              Be Lucky

                              Graham

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