Realistic setting for tic tocs

[jasoncook]

Hi all, I have been learning tic tocs on the sim and found the settings make a lot of diffrence to how hard or easy it is so, I was wondering what model and settings do you find close to real model. I fly a 700N fbl and a 550 fbl for real and the physical settings for the models on the sim go from tame to wild but as i aint tried the manouver for real exept on my mcpx which was not succesful unless you want tic piro toc piro crash LOL. I seem to loose height on the sim as i am doing the move Thanks Jason

[dani_r]

I'd like to know the answer to this too! Just can't get the timing right in tic tocs!


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[waveydavey]

Your probably not giving the heli time enough to pick up air. Start slowly and make the arc exaggerated so your not exactly say 3 o'clock but 2 and stop the movement with pitch, which will push the heli the opposite way, gradually add forward elevator until you do the opposite at 10 o'clock. Most people try to do it quickly and it ends up descending, when it does this try to slow the movements down.

[robbo45]

try learning rainbows first as it gives you more time to get your cyclic right and use more cyclic and less power to get the move right ,it took me about two weeks on the sim to get it right before i went on to tic toc ,still havent tried it in real life yet

[Nick B]

Try them for real up high....theres no better way

[sacko]

As Nick said, try them for real, just get the stick movements in Phoenix.

[Eckchaz]

I'm with Dave on this one.. its down to timing and you need to slow the stick movements down if your losing height

On the sim, you can have ham fisted full stick throws and still pull off really shallow tic tocs but in real life, it'll just plummet out of the sky and also the timing is way behind. Take it slow with more cyclics as robbo45 with less pitch throws

[jasoncook]

Thanks for the inputs ,I will try the slower approach tonight,they just did not look right more like 2x quarter rolls last time I tried. The model felt like it wanted more speed in the to keep it side on ?

[sacko]

Your Phoenix model will never feel like your heli, so its irrelevant setting up Phoenix.

Having someone stand next to you who is capable of doing them is always handy too, as they can see exactly where you are going wrong.

[Nick B]

I'm with Dave on this one.. its down to timing and you need to slow the stick movements down if your losing height

Not entirley true imo,you will just drop slower,you need to move the nose further down and back so you get more lift under the disc to get back to the height you started at.

[waveydavey]

That's what Eddie means Nick, I think what's been described is hardly any elevator input as you say, and loads of pitch quickly, the same effect. If you slow down and using more elevator it's easier to practice and judge the timing on the real thing.

[p4ddy]

Can you hover nose in inverted?? It's a good idea to nail that 1st

[Baldie]

A heli, A tx, Some sky and some stones.... Old School

[p4ddy]

Stones??

[Baldie]

Yep stones.... balls to you paddy ROFL !!!!!